injectors or nozzles? - Ford Powerstroke Diesel Forum
User Tag List

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
post #1 of 52 Old 10-03-2012, 01:26 PM Thread Starter
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 43
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
injectors or nozzles?

Been looking around for injectors or nozzles, which is better? I was going to keep a mild set up on my pick up but that changed. I don't really wanna spend a lot more but I'm sure if I add injectors or nozzles, I will need a better HPOP, a turbo to go along with it and a clutch looking at a 450 hp south bend. As well as getting my chip redone. That is all I wanna spend tho. I was looking at nozzles that add 25 - 50 hp. They don't say anywhere the cc. With my mods now I imagine I'm pushing around 345ish? Another member said about the same. Adding the things I want would I need anything else to make it reliable? It's my daily driver. All input is appreciated.

---David---

2000 Single Cab, 2x4, ZF-6
DIY 6637 Intake
PHP 6 Position Chip
5 Inch Custom Exhaust
Banks Gauges (Boost, Pyro)
High Pressure Oil and Fuel Crossover Lines
16 Inch XD Addict Wheels W/ Nitto Highways
david1991 is offline  
post #2 of 52 Old 10-04-2012, 06:09 AM
Banned
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Fort Bragg, NC/Buff, NY/Midlothian, VA
Posts: 5,630
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Thanks: 0
Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
If your looking somewhere at injectors that only say hp gains but not the size of the injectors and nozzles, you aren't looking in the right places.

The clutch sounds fine. But you might be maxing that 450hp out w/ injectors.

Stage 1 injectors and GOOD custom tuning will make 400whp on a SD... thats closer to 450crank hp. This will be around 800ft-lbs. That 450hp clutch will be destroyed most likely. You wont need an hpop or turbo w/ stage 1's.

With the crappy chip you have right now, I'd say you are closer to 300-320whp and 650ish ft-lbs to the wheels.
85_305 is offline  
post #3 of 52 Old 10-04-2012, 12:32 PM Thread Starter
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 43
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
haha php arnt good?

---David---

2000 Single Cab, 2x4, ZF-6
DIY 6637 Intake
PHP 6 Position Chip
5 Inch Custom Exhaust
Banks Gauges (Boost, Pyro)
High Pressure Oil and Fuel Crossover Lines
16 Inch XD Addict Wheels W/ Nitto Highways
david1991 is offline  
post #4 of 52 Old 10-04-2012, 12:37 PM
Compression Ignition Addict
 
CowboyCody's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Oil patch, North Dakota
Posts: 664
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Thanks: 0
Thanked 6 Times in 6 Posts
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
He probably missed the fact that it was a PHP chip... But then again he is a beans lover

Quote:
Originally Posted by madpowerstroke View Post
Try spinning a turbo with compressed air and hit it with diesel clean as you inhale at the turbo outlet, I call it a turbo bong.........that's some good stuff, makes you come up with all kinds of crazy ideas.


2010 F450 Super Duty Lariat Ultimate, 140,xxx Miles. 5" DP Back. Black Maxx. AFE Pro 5R Stage 2. ARP studs new heads and gaskets.

Last edited by CowboyCody; 10-04-2012 at 12:44 PM.
CowboyCody is offline  
post #5 of 52 Old 10-04-2012, 12:48 PM
Compression Ignition Addict
 
CowboyCody's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Oil patch, North Dakota
Posts: 664
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Thanks: 0
Thanked 6 Times in 6 Posts
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
how many miles ar on the truck? some new injectors may be in order anyway. otherwise there isnt much you can do to make it more reliable you have the basics covered. possibly get rid of the factory fuel filter set up, they are prone to leaks.

Quote:
Originally Posted by madpowerstroke View Post
Try spinning a turbo with compressed air and hit it with diesel clean as you inhale at the turbo outlet, I call it a turbo bong.........that's some good stuff, makes you come up with all kinds of crazy ideas.


2010 F450 Super Duty Lariat Ultimate, 140,xxx Miles. 5" DP Back. Black Maxx. AFE Pro 5R Stage 2. ARP studs new heads and gaskets.
CowboyCody is offline  
post #6 of 52 Old 10-04-2012, 04:51 PM
Supporting Vendor
 
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 280
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Thanks: 0
Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Feedback Score: 1 reviews
It doesn't matter one bit who does the tuning for a truck for stock injectors. You will see a MAXIMUM of 300-320 rear wheel horsepower no matter what else is done (and I'm not talking fudged or corrected DYNO numbers; take it to the track). It takes fuel to make power and there is only so much horsepower stock injectors will make.

I'm not a jerk, I just tell it like it is.

1995 SC/LB 4x4 PSD/Auto
2000 RC 2wd PSD/Auto
PHPDiesel is offline  
post #7 of 52 Old 10-04-2012, 09:22 PM Thread Starter
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 43
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
My pickup has 177k on it. Only had it for about 500 miles now. I appreciate all the feedback but no one has really answered my main question lol. Which are better for a budget and a good 25-50 hp gain? Nozzles or injectors. I know injectors are better but will nozzles do a decent job? What part of the factory fuel filter setup is prone to leaks?

---David---

2000 Single Cab, 2x4, ZF-6
DIY 6637 Intake
PHP 6 Position Chip
5 Inch Custom Exhaust
Banks Gauges (Boost, Pyro)
High Pressure Oil and Fuel Crossover Lines
16 Inch XD Addict Wheels W/ Nitto Highways
david1991 is offline  
post #8 of 52 Old 10-05-2012, 02:08 AM
Compression Ignition Addict
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Henderson ky
Posts: 250
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3 Post(s)
Thanks: 0
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Look at rosewood injectors probably the best option for budget build

2002 F-250 XLT 4x4 offroad extended cab short bed
2000 model 7.3L diesel with forged rods
4-4.5in down pipe 5in back exhaust, 6637 filter, backup camera, gauges,
Ky CCDW Instructor
ken6881 is offline  
post #9 of 52 Old 10-05-2012, 05:38 AM
Banned
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Fort Bragg, NC/Buff, NY/Midlothian, VA
Posts: 5,630
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Thanks: 0
Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Quote:
Originally Posted by david1991 View Post
haha php arnt good?
Didn't say that at all, but there are better options in my opinion.

Quote:
Originally Posted by CowboyCody View Post
He probably missed the fact that it was a PHP chip... But then again he is a beans lover
I admit, I'm a huge ******

Quote:
Originally Posted by PHPDiesel View Post
It doesn't matter one bit who does the tuning for a truck for stock injectors. You will see a MAXIMUM of 300-320 rear wheel horsepower no matter what else is done (and I'm not talking fudged or corrected DYNO numbers; take it to the track). It takes fuel to make power and there is only so much horsepower stock injectors will make.
I've seen dyno's that prove otherwise.... not to get into a pissing match. It's not only fuel, its how you use the fuel.

Quote:
Originally Posted by david1991 View Post
My pickup has 177k on it. Only had it for about 500 miles now. I appreciate all the feedback but no one has really answered my main question lol. Which are better for a budget and a good 25-50 hp gain? Nozzles or injectors. I know injectors are better but will nozzles do a decent job? What part of the factory fuel filter setup is prone to leaks?
I thought I already answered this...

Nozzles on stock injectors wont do ****. These babydick injectors are maxed out very quickly. Get bigger injectors.

Quote:
Originally Posted by ken6881 View Post
Look at rosewood injectors probably the best option for budget build
Like I said. Cant beat rosewoods.
85_305 is offline  
post #10 of 52 Old 10-05-2012, 09:06 AM
Compression Ignition Addict
 
CowboyCody's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Oil patch, North Dakota
Posts: 664
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Thanks: 0
Thanked 6 Times in 6 Posts
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
[QUOTE=85_305;3281392]Didn't say that at all, but there are better options in my opinion.



I admit, I'm a huge ******



you are definatly entitled to your opinion, and i am not saying your wrong. I have not personally run any of them so i dont know, but i dont think you have either but i think it is hard to go wrong with any of the custom tuners. it gets to the point where there is only slight differences, and it comes down to a matter of preferance.

Quote:
Originally Posted by madpowerstroke View Post
Try spinning a turbo with compressed air and hit it with diesel clean as you inhale at the turbo outlet, I call it a turbo bong.........that's some good stuff, makes you come up with all kinds of crazy ideas.


2010 F450 Super Duty Lariat Ultimate, 140,xxx Miles. 5" DP Back. Black Maxx. AFE Pro 5R Stage 2. ARP studs new heads and gaskets.
CowboyCody is offline  
Reply

Tags
7.3 , injectors , nozzle , powerstroke

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the Ford Powerstroke Diesel Forum forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in









Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.



Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode



Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome