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Chip versus programmer as Noob understands it

discalimer / caveat: I am a Noob. I just purchased a 2001 F-350 Crewcab Longbed w/ the 7.3. Ihave done multiple searches on this site and this is what I understand about chips versus programmers:

Chips:
ex: Tony Wildman, Beans, DP-Tuner.
You can get them customized, lots of different flavors (DP-Tuner has 16 possilbe different offerings) and you can switch you desired setting on the fly, more or less (i.e. go from Heavy Tow to stock with a turn of a dial)
Proprietary (TW tunes won't work on a DP-Tuner chip)

Programmer:
ex: Edge Evolution w/ juice.
canned tune. No changing on the fly. limited number of flavors. possible transmission issues?

If I am missing something important here, please feel free to correct me.

My question is this: My diesel shops seems to be a huge fan of the edge evolution and I cannot figure out why.

I have decided to go with an F6 chip from DP-Tuner. James (The DP guy) put up with all manner of idiot questions and I figure that's worth giving him my business.



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Little late I know, but I have a DP Tuner chip and am happy with mine...I think I've had it for about 5 years or so now. No issues. Some say the Edge Evolution is hard on your trans, it may or may not have had anything to do with it, but when I bought mine the guy had an Evolution that he gave me with the truck. It was less than 3 months after I bought it (Had it on level 2) the trans went out. Very well could have been coincidence, but didn't make me want to use it anymore. Also, after experiencing Level 3 on the Edge vs DP-Tuner all I have to say about that is Edge leaves a lot of untapped potential. I've heard that they have improved the Edge tuneing since I had mine, but I have no new experience with it. No doubt the best bet is to pick a good tuner and get some tunes from them. I think PHP does tuners with their tunes instead of chips if you want, but what's not to like about shift on the fly?
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discalimer / caveat: I am a Noob. I just purchased a 2001 F-350 Crewcab Longbed w/ the 7.3. Ihave done multiple searches on this site and this is what I understand about chips versus programmers:

Chips:
ex: Tony Wildman, Beans, DP-Tuner.
You can get them customized, lots of different flavors (DP-Tuner has 16 possilbe different offerings) and you can switch you desired setting on the fly, more or less (i.e. go from Heavy Tow to stock with a turn of a dial)
Proprietary (TW tunes won't work on a DP-Tuner chip)

Programmer:
ex: Edge Evolution w/ juice.
canned tune. No changing on the fly. limited number of flavors. possible transmission issues?

If I am missing something important here, please feel free to correct me.

My question is this: My diesel shops seems to be a huge fan of the edge evolution and I cannot figure out why.

I have decided to go with an F6 chip from DP-Tuner. James (The DP guy) put up with all manner of idiot questions and I figure that's worth giving him my business.
Well your naming two different edge products...there is the juice which is a module (aka a little black box that fools your ECM to think the truck need more fuel than it really does), the evo is a tuner that like the name suggests re-writes the programming on the ECM/Computer of the truck.

The HEUI injection system of a 7.3 (and the 6.0) is a bit of different animal and the person writing the tunes really needs to know what they are doing for max performance and reliability IMHO. PHP, DP, beans, swamps...etc all know exactly what they are doing...I would go with them.

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thanks for the feedback!

GreenF350 / Rufus Husky:
Thanks for the feedback. I was looking for confirmation of the stuff I've read on this forum about chips vs programmers and you've confirmed what I thought I was reading.
My rig goes into the shop in a few weeks (Dynamic Diesel in Shohomish, WA) and while it's getting pillar gauges put in, transmission looked at, etc, I am going to have them put a F6 chip in from DP-Tuner.

They were really trying to up-sell the Edge programmer, but everything I've read here posted by guys who know a lot more about these beasts than I do said "Get a chip and don't waste your time on the programmer". So that's what I am going to do.

Thanks again.



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If you can pick up a programer cheap then it is worth it. I got my Edge Evo for 50 bucks had it in since november with no issues. But if you buy one new you are better off getting the chip then the programer. Im currently saving up for a PHP chip but happy with my programer for now

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if your going to go with a programmer the only one i suggest is a PHP tuned edge CS or CTS....


if your going to go with a chip then i recommend TW, PHP, or beans...

you can find some info here as well: Tony Wildman Performance Chips
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thanks a bunch for the infor, fellas. Like I mentioned, the guy at DP spent a lot of time explaining the ins and outs of his chips, and other PCM questions I had for him. I'm going to drop the hammer and pick up the f-6.

next up - an upgraded turbo charger and reg return fuel system...



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DP Tuner F6 Chip
4-gauge pod: Boost, EGT, Trans Temp, Fuel Pressure
Airbags
Banks Intercooler
Banks 4" Exhaust
Banks Exhaust Brake
Dude that had it before me really loved Banks...


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Truck accessory shops pimp what they sell, the dp is better than the edge but there are better and cheaper alternatives
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I doubt you will be disappointed with the DP. Been running one for years, although my next tunes will probably be from a different tuner....mostly just because I would like to try out something different.
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