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Cool 200cc Stage IIs?

So I'm pretty sure I don't wanna go with Hybrid injectors, and I do want single shots. Every vendor online sells Single shot Stage IIs with 160cc of flow, which brings me a little shy of my goal of 500HP. BUT! I found Riff Raff diesel sells Full Force injectors where I can get stage IIs with 200cc and even 225cc nozzles. Why do they seem to be the only ones, and does anyone here think I'll have problems with a larger nozzle on A-code injectors?
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I would say for sure that you will need some big oil to feed those suckers. That's a good bit extra high pressure oil that they will use compared to hybrids. I was leaning towards something like that, or a set of B-Codes. I have pretty much been talked out of that and into some hybrids. Just curious...what is your reasoning behind it?
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Frist, why don't you want hybrids?

Secondly, you won't have any problems running the stroked A codes, but you will need oil, and lots of it.

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I wanna run A codes because of the 7:1 injection ratio. Higher fuel injection pressures mean better atomization, and higher efficiency and economy. Hybrids have a 5:1 ratio. Even though it would flow more fuel and allow for more impressive dyno numbers, there are still downfalls. I'm already planning on running a larger HPOP, perhaps the adrenaline pump. If I was gonna go with B-codes (which I still might) then I'm gonna make my power goals a little bigger than 500hp
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injection ratio don't mean nothin if you can't get fuel out. i've seen graphs of b codes were at 6ms pw they'll flow 275cc of fuel but you get up to like 3000 rpm even with an icp of 3000 psi 4ms pw they flow 175cc of fuel. hybrids are fast and can keep up at the rpm range. there is a reason 99% of the people run them
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So Bruce, you think at 200cc's I'll run into problems with speed? You think 160cc's with 70 psi of fuel pressure could get me to 500whp?
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Nope, saw a guy with 170's make 497 but thats one in a million. Get some 250/100's hybrids with an srp1 and a turbo 38r, gqssb, s467 and you'll make 500 easily
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Ya I'd have to say 500hp with 160s is a pretty good stretch.

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I doubt you'd get 500 on 160cc injectors. I've been told that 500hp on the 238cc hybrids I've been looking at is a stretch, especially with the 38R. I also doubt from what I have seen reported that the Adrenaline will supply the needed oil for big, non-hybrids. I guess you could give it a shot, but don't get your hopes too high.

Interesting that your reasoning for not wanting hybrids is/was the same as mine. The injection ratio certainly seems less favorable to me. I've heard all the arguments and decided I might as well go with the hybrids, since obviously they are working, even if they aren't necessarily the best choice. They are certainly more economical for the overall build price.
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I think the guys are making up for the low injection ratio by running up their fuel pressure. I'm really leaning towards the GT38R turbo, mainly because of the price. How do you like yours? I just pulled my inspection plug last night and found out that my 2003 has forged rods, so now I'm all excited and thinking I'll shoot for the 600 HP mark :-)
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