Towing-Help? - Ford Powerstroke Diesel Forum
 1Likes
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
post #1 of 31 Old 07-21-2014, 05:47 PM Thread Starter
Compression Ignition Addict
 
scoutcamper's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Chico, CA
Posts: 454
Thanks: 11
Thanked 32 Times in 31 Posts
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Quoted: 55 Post(s)
Garage
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Towing-Help?

Hey Guys,

Multiple questions, but first, some backstory.

We have had several travel trailers in the past, but just recently bought our first toy hauler(bumper pull). We just(last night) got back from out first trip to the dunes, and have some questions. Truck specs in my signature.

Truck+trailer weigh in at 20K Combined(weighed in last night, this is everything full, and 5 adults in the truck, max load). When pulling mountains(we live in california, so there are a lot of mountains between us and coos bay), we cannot cross about 42MPH. Is this normal with a heavy load? Next, when we got stopped in traffic and were doing about 4mph up a hill in a construction zone we got our trannie well into the yellow on the factory gauge. Is this normal? And, we ran essentially the entire trip with no AC to keep the truck cool(when we turn on the AC the truck would get hot!), how do we fix this?

New Trannie pan with fins?
Change out the 3.73 rear end for 4.10?
Drop in a HD4R100 trannie as an upgrade?
Sell the F250 for an F350 Dually of the same year?
Something else?

Looking for comments, suggestions, etc.
Towing-Help?-10487320_10202474901890184_6553347142672195370_n.jpg

NEW:2016 F250 6.7L Crew Cab Short Bed XLT Fx4

MODS: Ham Radio Install. LED Cube Reverse Lights.

2002 F250 Crew Cab 7.3L short bed. GONE @ 222,000Miles
scoutcamper is offline  
post #2 of 31 Old 07-21-2014, 06:06 PM
DERAIL MOD!!!


 
351fifty's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Canton and kennesaw
Posts: 23,180
Thanks: 34
Thanked 207 Times in 195 Posts
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Quoted: 3 Post(s)
Feedback Score: 4 reviews
You have a factory Trans gauge???

Upgrade your Trans cooler, look into a heavy tow/tow tune, yes 20k is heavy, but only difference a Dually will make is going to be sway and stability at speeds IMHO, 4.10's are great for getting a load moving, but if you don't tow often then you may as well keep the 3.73's

Good Trans coolers are the 6.0 cooler, and the true cool 40k coolers are most popular,

-Kris-
2000 excursion V10 2wd 230k
2000 Excursion 7.3 4x4 246k
1995 CCLB DRW 324K
2001 CCLB DRW 319K
Dp tuner infinity, exhaust, intake, chipped, tricked, and wrecked


Quote:
Originally Posted by marine5811
The stock downpipe in an OBS is flat because I'm a ginger.
Quote:
Originally Posted by alberta 7.3
Finding a decent woman is like shopping for a used truck. You spend most of your time picking through the money pits, wrecks, and basket cases until you find one that you can tolerate
Quote:
Originally Posted by JJFLASH
Well at least you caught the loose bolts before they cause any damage. Nothing worse than a sloppy hole
351fifty is offline  
post #3 of 31 Old 07-21-2014, 06:10 PM Thread Starter
Compression Ignition Addict
 
scoutcamper's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Chico, CA
Posts: 454
Thanks: 11
Thanked 32 Times in 31 Posts
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Quoted: 55 Post(s)
Garage
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Quote:
Originally Posted by 351fifty View Post
You have a factory Trans gauge???

Upgrade your Trans cooler, look into a heavy tow/tow tune, yes 20k is heavy, but only difference a Dually will make is going to be sway and stability at speeds IMHO, 4.10's are great for getting a load moving, but if you don't tow often then you may as well keep the 3.73's

Good Trans coolers are the 6.0 cooler, and the true cool 40k coolers are most popular,
Yep, we have the factory trans gauge, but the hyperpac also gives me real numbers, so i know for a fact that climbing the construction hill we were at 250F straight up, would have pulled over and stopped if at all possible, but unfortunately it is a single lane with hard barriers on each side.

Heavy Tow/Tow tune, so you suggest like a DP Custom tune? The hyperpac has simply 3 stages, We leave it in stage 1.

NEW:2016 F250 6.7L Crew Cab Short Bed XLT Fx4

MODS: Ham Radio Install. LED Cube Reverse Lights.

2002 F250 Crew Cab 7.3L short bed. GONE @ 222,000Miles
scoutcamper is offline  
post #4 of 31 Old 07-21-2014, 06:19 PM
Compression Ignition Addict
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Coweta, GA
Posts: 1,186
Thanks: 65
Thanked 79 Times in 77 Posts
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Quoted: 22 Post(s)
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
DP, PHP, Powerstruck, Gearhead, Tony Wildman, etc. You are turning OD off (light on) correct?

-Kris

01 cclb f-350 srw-463hp/1025ftlbs PHP Dyno (extreme tune)
leveled with 285's on 17'' XD Spy's
Autometer gauges (boost, trans, egt, fuel)
4'' straight pipe
DIY 6637
Powerstruck 160/30's
Hydra Powerstruck tuned
38r
CNCFab fuel & hpop lines
Locally built trans-gave up after 20k miles 😡



Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave View Post
Why delete something thats truthful? Paid vendor status isnt like the mafia youre not paying for protection from negative feedback here
strokin-7.3 is offline  
post #5 of 31 Old 07-21-2014, 06:20 PM Thread Starter
Compression Ignition Addict
 
scoutcamper's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Chico, CA
Posts: 454
Thanks: 11
Thanked 32 Times in 31 Posts
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Quoted: 55 Post(s)
Garage
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
More info:
This is auto tranny.

Outside temp ~100 degrees F for the whole trip. FIRST HILL OF THE TRIP- Hill was 8% grade, 5 miles up. Truck never drops below 42MPH, 2nd gear. Engine temp reached >250 F, Tranny never exceeded 220F. On Last real hill, grade ~7%, BUT we had to slow to 1st gear and come to a complete stop, then re-start moving up grade. Could never get fast enough to shift to second, Engine was around ~220F, but Tranny exceeded 250F.

One More Question:
It appears that when tranny is locked in 3rd, stays pretty cool. Second gear appears to have 2 ranges, torque conv locked, torq conv unlocked. Locked 2nd gear, stays pretty cool. Unlocked 2nd gear, heats up. First gear, gets REALLY hotů
Is this normal?

NEW:2016 F250 6.7L Crew Cab Short Bed XLT Fx4

MODS: Ham Radio Install. LED Cube Reverse Lights.

2002 F250 Crew Cab 7.3L short bed. GONE @ 222,000Miles
scoutcamper is offline  
post #6 of 31 Old 07-21-2014, 06:21 PM
DERAIL MOD!!!


 
351fifty's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Canton and kennesaw
Posts: 23,180
Thanks: 34
Thanked 207 Times in 195 Posts
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Quoted: 3 Post(s)
Feedback Score: 4 reviews
Quote:
Originally Posted by scoutcamper View Post
Yep, we have the factory trans gauge, but the hyperpac also gives me real numbers, so i know for a fact that climbing the construction hill we were at 250F straight up, would have pulled over and stopped if at all possible, but unfortunately it is a single lane with hard barriers on each side.

Heavy Tow/Tow tune, so you suggest like a DP Custom tune? The hyperpac has simply 3 stages, We leave it in stage 1.
Had no idea on the 02's having that, and 250 is way to hot, you need to upgrade that cooler ASAP, and yes custom tow tunes like from the tuners mentioned by kris here


Edit: because of your ninja post


Did you manually select 1st and 2nd gears for this pull? That should manually lock it iirc

-Kris-
2000 excursion V10 2wd 230k
2000 Excursion 7.3 4x4 246k
1995 CCLB DRW 324K
2001 CCLB DRW 319K
Dp tuner infinity, exhaust, intake, chipped, tricked, and wrecked


Quote:
Originally Posted by marine5811
The stock downpipe in an OBS is flat because I'm a ginger.
Quote:
Originally Posted by alberta 7.3
Finding a decent woman is like shopping for a used truck. You spend most of your time picking through the money pits, wrecks, and basket cases until you find one that you can tolerate
Quote:
Originally Posted by JJFLASH
Well at least you caught the loose bolts before they cause any damage. Nothing worse than a sloppy hole

Last edited by 351fifty; 07-21-2014 at 06:23 PM. Reason: Ninja posted by op
351fifty is offline  
post #7 of 31 Old 07-21-2014, 06:26 PM
Compression Ignition Addict
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Coweta, GA
Posts: 1,186
Thanks: 65
Thanked 79 Times in 77 Posts
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Quoted: 22 Post(s)
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
First gear gets hot because theres a lot of torque convertor slip and with that much weight it creats a lot of heat. Its 1-2-3-tc lock-OD. TC locked stays cool because it's not slipping.

-Kris

01 cclb f-350 srw-463hp/1025ftlbs PHP Dyno (extreme tune)
leveled with 285's on 17'' XD Spy's
Autometer gauges (boost, trans, egt, fuel)
4'' straight pipe
DIY 6637
Powerstruck 160/30's
Hydra Powerstruck tuned
38r
CNCFab fuel & hpop lines
Locally built trans-gave up after 20k miles 😡



Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave View Post
Why delete something thats truthful? Paid vendor status isnt like the mafia youre not paying for protection from negative feedback here
strokin-7.3 is offline  
post #8 of 31 Old 07-21-2014, 06:31 PM
Compression Ignition Addict
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Coweta, GA
Posts: 1,186
Thanks: 65
Thanked 79 Times in 77 Posts
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Quoted: 22 Post(s)
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Quote:
Originally Posted by 351fifty View Post
Had no idea on the 02's having that, and 250 is way to hot, you need to upgrade that cooler ASAP, and yes custom tow tunes like from the tuners mentioned by kris here


Edit: because of your ninja post


Did you manually select 1st and 2nd gears for this pull? That should manually lock it iirc
01-no trans gauge 02 and up-trans gauge. And while your upgrading the cooler change your fluid as well. I know it locks it when going down hill for "engine braking" but I don't remember if it locks it for accelerating as well.

-Kris

01 cclb f-350 srw-463hp/1025ftlbs PHP Dyno (extreme tune)
leveled with 285's on 17'' XD Spy's
Autometer gauges (boost, trans, egt, fuel)
4'' straight pipe
DIY 6637
Powerstruck 160/30's
Hydra Powerstruck tuned
38r
CNCFab fuel & hpop lines
Locally built trans-gave up after 20k miles 😡



Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave View Post
Why delete something thats truthful? Paid vendor status isnt like the mafia youre not paying for protection from negative feedback here
strokin-7.3 is offline  
post #9 of 31 Old 07-21-2014, 06:33 PM Thread Starter
Compression Ignition Addict
 
scoutcamper's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Chico, CA
Posts: 454
Thanks: 11
Thanked 32 Times in 31 Posts
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Quoted: 55 Post(s)
Garage
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Quote:
Originally Posted by 351fifty View Post
Had no idea on the 02's having that, and 250 is way to hot, you need to upgrade that cooler ASAP, and yes custom tow tunes like from the tuners mentioned by kris here


Edit: because of your ninja post


Did you manually select 1st and 2nd gears for this pull? That should manually lock it iirc
Nope, left it in D all the way, did not know that it would be manually locked by manually putting it in first or second.

NEW:2016 F250 6.7L Crew Cab Short Bed XLT Fx4

MODS: Ham Radio Install. LED Cube Reverse Lights.

2002 F250 Crew Cab 7.3L short bed. GONE @ 222,000Miles
scoutcamper is offline  
post #10 of 31 Old 07-21-2014, 06:44 PM Thread Starter
Compression Ignition Addict
 
scoutcamper's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Chico, CA
Posts: 454
Thanks: 11
Thanked 32 Times in 31 Posts
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Quoted: 55 Post(s)
Garage
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
So, budget does not allow for more than one thing at a time, got to plan these things If you had to put these things in an order from first to last, how would you do it?

Custom tune/Gauges- About $700 by the time all said and done-can absolutely do install ourselves.
6.0 Trannie cooler- local shop quoted $700
Finned Trannie Pan- local shop quoted $730 includes fluid change etc.

Anything else? Is the finned pan really useful or necessary?

NEW:2016 F250 6.7L Crew Cab Short Bed XLT Fx4

MODS: Ham Radio Install. LED Cube Reverse Lights.

2002 F250 Crew Cab 7.3L short bed. GONE @ 222,000Miles

Last edited by scoutcamper; 07-21-2014 at 06:54 PM.
scoutcamper is offline  
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the Ford Powerstroke Diesel Forum forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in









Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.



Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode



Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome