Top end oil change ?

[CSIPSD]

LOL... I dont know what to say... Just LOL...

[Performance Oil Products]

You must be kidding me. Who snowed that guy into making vid of this. All of the oil in the system and HPOP eventually gets drained.

Top engine oil change

[AFBLUE]

I have a question that I caught in what he said. That you dont have to worry about over filling the becuase it overflows back into the engine? it that true?

[badazzstroker]

Originally Posted by Performance Oil Products

You must be kidding me. Who snowed that guy into making vid of this. All of the oil in the system and HPOP eventually gets drained.

Top engine oil change

that is exactly what i was doing when i saw the video,what a retard.i dont know what people dont understand about open loop,ALL THE OIL IS CIRCULATED,ALL THE TIME.

[drstephennix]

Originally Posted by badazzstroker

that is exactly what i was doing when i saw the video,what a retard.i dont know what people dont understand about open loop,ALL THE OIL IS CIRCULATED,ALL THE TIME.

I thinkthat the intention of the guy is good. Yes, all the oil is circulated, but when you change your oil, you are only adding 15qtz of new and still using 3qtz of old used oil. I think this is the best way to change out that oil as well and get a FULL oil change without having to add 4gallons and then run it and drain it and add another 4gallons. Seems cheaper to do it this way and actually run 18qtz of good, clean oil rather than mixing it. IMO

[utah300rum]

I work in the HVAC field that deals with adding glycol to loop systems with fluid using several different means. I am not an expert on the injection by any means, we usually sub that out to a specialist. We would need to know how many gph and velocity the system returne vs the capacity of the hpop lpop and reservoir. Also an accurate diagram of the actual flow pattern. There is a possibility even on an open loop that thru the flow patterns internally that only a portion of that oil recirculates. I bring that up because I have seen systems that have glycol injection systems freeze for odd reasons like velocity differences or flow patterns not allowing the glycol to enter certain areas of the piping. I have also seen in hydronic heating system with piping where you actually get simulatanious oposite flows thru the exact same pipe due to temperature or viscosity differences. I had a 2" pipe that had heavier glycol water flowing say left to right in the botton of the pipe while at the same time thinner water with less glycol flowed right to left. I would never have believed it if I had not witnessed it myself. And it defied all reason or logic but we proved it by taking samples and temperature reading from the pipe. We just changed a couple of fitting to change the flow and the problem never returned.

I have also seen many strange flow pattern in air and water. I had a supply run cut too close to an elbow in a supply duct. This is a supply duct that blows air to the home from the furnace. The run/pipe was cut right next to a 90 degree elbow on the main duct. The air making that turn created a negative pressure area in a positively pressure duct which caused that new run/ pipe to actually suck air in. I had to moved the run/ pipe about 1 foot away from the elbow on the same duct and it blew like hell. 12" went from suck to blow in a duct that is a positively pressurized supply duct..

I changed my oil 400 miles ago, so I will pull a specific volume of a sample from my pan and put it in a clear glass and spot test on white paper. Then I will pull the same volume from from the reservoir he describes. If there is full circulation the oil should be very close to the same color/transparency. All though not pefect labratory analisys I would say if there is a difference in color/transparency, there is at least to some degree truth in what he claims.

If there are areas where the velocity or flow changes there may be "dead" areas thru that oil injection that would trap oil as he describes. I have rounded everything up today to give it a try tonight as soon as I have time and will post pics

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Last edited by utah300rum : 06-25-2008 at 01:50 PM.

[drstephennix]

Originally Posted by utah300rum

I work in the HVAC field that deals with adding glycol to loop systems with fluid using several different means. I am not an expert on the injection by any means, we usually sub that out to a specialist. We would need to know how many gph and velocity the system returne vs the capacity of the hpop lpop and reservoir. Also an accurate diagram of the actual flow pattern. There is a possibility even on an open loop that thru the flow patterns internally that only a portion of that oil recirculates. I bring that up because I have seen systems that have glycol injection systems freeze for odd reasons like velocity differences or flow patterns not allowing the glycol to enter certain areas of the piping. I have also seen in hydronic heating system with piping where yopu actually get simulatniuos opesite flows thru the exact same pipe dur to temperature or viscosity differences. I had a 2" pipe that had heavier glycol water flowing say left to right in the botton of the pipe while at the same time thinner water with less glycol flowed right to left. I would never have believed it if I had not witnessed it myself. And it defied all reason or logic but we proved it by taking samples and temperature reading from the pipe.

I changed my oil 400 miles ago, so I will pull a specific volume of a sample from my pan and put it in a clear glass and spot test on white paper. Then I will pull the same volume from from the reservoir he describes. If there is full circulation the oil should be very close to the same color/transparency. All though not pefect labratory analisys I would say if there is a difference in color/transparency, there is at least to some degree truth in what he claims.

If there are areas where the velocity or flow changes there may be "dead" areas thru that oil injection that would trap oil as he describes. I have rounded everything up today to give it a try tonight as soon as I have time and will post pics

Thanks Utah! I'll be looking forward to your results.

[tubular031]

Originally Posted by utah300rum

I changed my oil 400 miles ago, so I will pull a specific volume of a sample from my pan and put it in a clear glass and spot test on white paper. Then I will pull the same volume from from the reservoir he describes. If there is full circulation the oil should be very close to the same color/transparency. All though not pefect labratory analisys I would say if there is a difference in color/transparency, there is at least to some degree truth in what he claims.

If there are areas where the velocity or flow changes there may be "dead" areas thru that oil injection that would trap oil as he describes. I have rounded everything up today to give it a try tonight as soon as I have time and will post pics

THis is what i was gonig to do in a week or 3 when i change my oil. Let us all know what happens!

[f250power]

Originally Posted by Tikal

The guy has a pretty good idea...There's 3 quarts of oil we're not changing when we do maintenance... I'm not sure it's worth the hassle, but he has logical reasoning behind doing it

It's actually really easy. Try to get an auto pump. I used a manual-took much longer and tired arms

[f250power]

Originally Posted by bigcountrysg

I would argue that the 3 quarts does get changed. He stated in the first video it does mix in with the regular engine oil. So it maybe every other oil change but that oil still gets changed.

Remember that the low end oil supplies the hpop with oil on these engines. Also to make this affective you would have to do this at the same time you change the low end oil.

My oil on my dipstick smells like new (only about 500 miles on it) yet my oil i pulled from the top looked and smelt burnt.