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Exclamation ★★★★★ no scan no start no wts GPR wont click

ok im new on this forum but not new to the 7.3 im pretty knowledgeable of the 94-98 psd but i have an issue so heres every from start to finish read carefully

my truck 95 psd F code : from NYS dutchess county

was driving my truck it just died CEL came on and that was it i changed the CPS sensor, tried cranking the the truck the CEL went off hmm ? So we went to scan the the truck scanner says failure to communicate .. odd ? THEN we checked all the fuses WITH A PROBE both sides there all good .. We then swapped in 3 DIFFERENT PCM's & IDM's still no WTS Still NOT scanning ... Then we checked the fuel bowl wires there all fine... We know the GPR is good we manually grounded it with a power probe The HPOP is ( FULL ) to the inspection port .. I also pulled pass side valve cover no burnt wires internally / externally ... I have a FASS in line fuel pump 7-8 psi to help the manual pump we checked for fuel pressure its got fuel .....So at this point idk

KEEP IN MIND this truck is not a salt infested / hack job truck everything is clean only thing is i swapped the E4OD for a ZF5 without switching computers but it ran fine for over a year ...... ive read on here that with out power to 5volt reference wire nothing will work idk what that is CAN SOMEONE PLEASE HELP US
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This is very basic I think were past this point im looking for someone to help me figure out if the pcm has power and to find out what this 5 volt ref wire people are talking about ive heard ill get these symptoms but thank you very much rammstein1224
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96 and newer were OBD2 (somewhat) compliant. And even then very few scanners read our trucks. So, not being able to communicate is no surprise.

If you bought a cps at at a local parts store they often fail right out of the box. Try one from the Ford dealer if you haven't.

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This is very basic I think were past this point im looking for someone to help me figure out if the pcm has power and to find out what this 5 volt ref wire people are talking about ive heard ill get these symptoms but thank you very much rammstein1224
Well everything about this truck is "basic" I would look really hard at your fuse 22 in the engine bay, that fuse controls the fuel bowl heater but the pcm also runs on that circuit and that causes a no WTS light and no pcm power. I know you said you checked them but that is usually the primary culprit when you get no WTS light. Check the circuit down the line from the fuse box.

If its not that id say its pretty obvious that your pcm is dead and when you replaced it with 3 different pcms did you make sure that it was the same pcm code as your truck because unlike idms they arent all interchangeable.

The only reason your original pcm worked with the tranny swap is because everything about your truck it was seeing except the tranny and im not sure if it throws a soft code or not but some people say their truck doesnt like running with an auto pcm after the swap.

That being said it may have died coincidentally and the pcms you are replacing it with arent compatible and thus still causing a no communication with pcm. I know a few guys on here have pin out charts of the pcm but good luck testing if you try that.

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So I see what you guys are saying but I have power on both sides of the fuses ...about the PCMs i took both IDM & PCM out of friends truck and put it on mine nothing I took my pcm and idm and tried them on his fired right up SO we know its not the pcm or idm ive been checking the fuseable links and they have power both sides im running out of ideas
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The diagnostic port(OBDII connector ) is on the same fuse as the cigar lighter. Mine would blow this fuse when something is plugged into cigar lighter ,like an inverter etc. Then my AE won't connect or communicate but the PCM is good.

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The tach on my truck barley moves, no smoke whatsoever comes from exhaust there's power at the fuse box and I checked underneath box for shorts nothing there, and power at the fuse box inside cab cigarette lighter has power both, I put a different map sensor on as well
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check the pcm plug for corrosion. i have a spare pcm from a 2000 f450 standard trans that works great in my truck except for the water in fuel light is on . I would think that at least 1 of the other pcm s would have communicated with the scanner

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What are you using for a code reader / scanner?

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