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post #1 of 38 Old 09-18-2010, 04:34 PM Thread Starter
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Stage 1's or Stage 2's?

I'm getting premium built injectors from Jim at RDS, but i cant decide if i want to get 1's or 2's.

So far my truck is stock except for whats in my sig. I'm going to call my brothers friend this week and order a exhaust and gauges.

This winter i'm planning on installing a 17* HPOP, might intercool it, and depending on how much money i really want to put in my truck, i might get a BTS. As for tunes, i might just run stock for quite a while because if i get a BTS i will be flat broke.

My goal is to hit 400hp at the wheels, which is why i want 2's. But i also still want a reliable DD that is smoke-free, cool, and efficent when i'm cruising. I've been talking to Matt@Gearhead and he thinks my truck will be smokey and hot until i either intercool it or get a bigger turbo(more money). But he said that when i was talking about running a mild tune all the time.

And today my brother talked to a friend who's friend has a 7.3 with stage 2's, and said that it always smokes. Now most likely he's running a chip, but my brothers freaking out that i'm going to wash the cylinders and blow my motor or get piss poor mileage. I think he's just worried that my 7.3 might actually be able to run with his 6.0 in a year or two.

So can 2's be ran without any problems on a stock-ish truck, and then when i'm ready to get tunes, be de-tuned enough to run like a set of stage 1's? And will the bigger nozzles kill my fuel economy? If its just going to run like crap with stock tuning and a stock turbo i'll go with 1's, but if it will still run fine stock with 2's then thats what i'll get.

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Id do stage 1s and get the good ones. Then send um in for 2s later on once you got turbo and trans settled

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I get 14 -14.5 (mixed city, highway) with the 2nd truck in my sig. Hypermax Stg 2's, 6" lift, 35's, 4.10's and everything else included in my sig.

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II's and a stock turbo aint gonna last long. And its gonna be smokey

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Even on a really low or stock tune just cruising will it be smokey? What if i go with smaller nozzles, like 30 or 50%? And anybody gone from 1's to 2's and noticed a drop in mileage? 14-14.5 with a CC, lift, and 35's isn't really all that bad.

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Even on a really low or stock tune just cruising will it be smokey? What if i go with smaller nozzles, like 30 or 50%? And anybody gone from 1's to 2's and noticed a drop in mileage? 14-14.5 with a CC, lift, and 35's isn't really all that bad.
My truck isn't too smokey unless I am in the very aggressive tunes. With Jody's "stock" tune I get hardly any smoke. The only times I am really smokey is off idle or when I am under the H2E. I would have to agree that the 2's a hot tune and stock turbo probably won't last too long, but the big OBS exhaust housing should help. Also, I wouldn't be afraid of going with 50% nozzles. I would recommend getting the inj's you want, get a mild tune to keep the stock turbo happy and intercool it.

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mileage all depends on the right foot. if i drive it good milage is good . if not ol well you play you pay.
been running swamps 150's and a D-66 for over a year with swamps tunes very little smoke in less you lug it. plan on an inercooler or your egts will get right up there.
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My truck isn't too smokey unless I am in the very aggressive tunes. With Jody's "stock" tune I get hardly any smoke. The only times I am really smokey is off idle or when I am under the H2E. I would have to agree that the 2's a hot tune and stock turbo probably won't last too long, but the big OBS exhaust housing should help. Also, I wouldn't be afraid of going with 50% nozzles. I would recommend getting the inj's you want, get a mild tune to keep the stock turbo happy and intercool it.
Yeah, i'm wanting to go big now while i'm doing it, cause i know i'll get bored with 1's and then have to pay more for bigger nozzles. But i don't want to go to big and run into a bunch of issues. I'm not worried about a lot of smoke or heat, i just want it to be controllable.

Anybody have an idea of what kind of power 160/50% could make?

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Yeah, i'm wanting to go big now while i'm doing it, cause i know i'll get bored with 1's and then have to pay more for bigger nozzles. But i don't want to go to big and run into a bunch of issues. I'm not worried about a lot of smoke or heat, i just want it to be controllable.

Anybody have an idea of what kind of power 160/50% could make?
I think you could make your 400rwhp with 160's. I believe 180's can do 450 or so.

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Yeah, but wouldn't that be with something like 100% nozzles? I'm just curious to see what the max would be. If it was something like 375 i'd be pretty happy. It'd still have more power than 90% of the trucks around.

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