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Dana 60 King pin vs ball joint

Hello all. I am looking to swap a dana 60 into my 1996 F250 PSD.

I am not worried about doing the swap, I have the tools and facility. However I am trying to figure out the pros and cons of either a king pin or ball joint. From what I have read it looks like the ball joint ones tend to have better road manners and are easier to service. Conversely the king pin is more durable but a little hard to work on. I don't mind if its easy to service or not. Thats just part of owning an OBS. I also feel that if you're worried about the road manners of a 18 year old solid axle truck.... then you shouldn't be driving an 18 year old solid axle truck.

I use the truck as a daily driver and frequent towing for work. The truck makes constant trips to Tahoe and camping. I also plan on keeping the truck forever.

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I like the kingpin as I had two on '90 and 91 F350 diesels logged many miles just greased that's it. Ball joints two trucks 96 and 97 you'll have to replace them but still very durable. I prefer the ball joints axle only because they come with the non slide pin brake caliper to bracket set up. The kingpin brakes with the slide pins are a royal pain in the but. Would be idea to have KP with the slide bolt (like on 97) set up.

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I figures its all about what you can find for what price.
I have run both and really don't notice any difference in driving them.
the king pins last longer and are stronger but more expensive to rebuild.
ball joints aren't as strong but cheaper to replace, that being said I have never broke a ball joint and I am very hard on my stuff.



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Thanks for the replies.

So I am assuming that the brakes from my Dana 50 will not swap over to the kingpin axle?

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1996 F250 4x4 auto
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7.3 PSD ext cab long bed.
DIY intake AFe Big Boost filter
3 inch DP to 4 straight out
approx 141,000 miles
TW 6 POS chip
140v mod
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I doubt it.



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Got it. I think I am still a little impartial to either one. Might just see what I can find for the best price. From what I have seen so far most complete axles are running around 900-1200.

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7.3 PSD ext cab long bed.
DIY intake AFe Big Boost filter
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I think Ford didn't do us a Favor when they had Dana take out the King pin and use ball joints like in a Dana 44
then to call it a super 60

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1PMD60FKK King Pin Dana 60 rebuild kit - FORD

I didnt see much $ difference between BJ and KP for rebuild cost, the BJ axle under my truck is the first BJd60 I have had
aftermarket parts are a little more hard to come by ie. high steer arms

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I stayed with the ballpoint so I could reuse as much of my D50 brake parts as possible. I've already installed longer brake lines so this is one less thing to slow me down during the swap. Changing brake calipers and bleeding the brakes would have to be done during the swap to a king pin axle.

Just my thoughts...

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There's a reason most rock crawlers love the KP axles, that steel pin is strong. That being said, are you going to crawl your diesel? if not get the ball joint axle, your brakes will swap over.

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