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Old 08-18-2010, 07:42 PM
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2nd post.. need purchase advice from the experts

My second post! Hope to be a regular soon, but I need some help first.

I am currently looking at purchasing a 1997 F-350 4x4 7.3 Powerstroke.

Basic Specs:
VIN:1FTJW36F7VEA14603 <--- anyone have a carfax they could run on this VIN for me?? this is Supposed to be a 1 owner truck and I completely forgot to ask for a carfax!!

Odo:176239 mi
Ext:Green
Int: Tan
Eng:7.3L V8 16V DI OHV Turbo Diesel
Trans:Automatic 4x4

It is being sold via a Ford "Truck Only" Dealer here in Houston. They deal in f150's to f650's and are most certainly a Fleet Maintenence repair shop by the looks of the bays!
Anyway...
The Truck has just completed a "115 Point Inspection". Issues found:
1. The Mech. Fuel Pump is leaking and should be replaced.
2. The driver side tie-rod needs to be replaced (I would want to replace both)
3. There was discussion of replacing the front end bushings (not sure what is being done here).
4. Rear Tires are done...
5. 4x4 did not engage... Still has the auto hubs. They are investigating in the am.

The above items I would have the dealer repair before purchase. We are talking at least 2,000.00 here, right? Perhaps more if the 4x4 needs repairs.

The underside is nice and clean for a truck that's 14 years old. The interior is fine for a truck of this vintage... even comes with a mounted old school cell phone!

I'd keep it as a conversation piece!

Another issue I have with the truck are body related
There is a crunch of the passenger side bed (PICS below). It would appear someone drove the truck off a driveway and crunched the lower portion of the bed, this in turn push the tailpipe in an upward direction.... there is also a baseball sized dent in the rear corner of the bed as well.

To be honest, I would be ok with this if they where asking below 8,900 for the truck , which is KKB DEALER retail for this truck in EXCELLENT condition, btw.
This truck is NOT in excellent condition. Now I'm ok with all this, However, they are asking 12,700.00 for the truck.

Again, according to KKB, the truck is worth 8960.00 This is for an EXCELLENT condition f350 XLT with the equipment list this truck has. This means a clean engine bay and now leaks.... Now all these things are to be fixed (see above) by the dealer.
However, when you add to the fact the bed and tailpipe is crunched on the passengers side and there is a nice solid dent in the back drivers side, I have to be honest and say the most I can pay and feel comfortable with is 8900.00 cash. I just wouldn't fee right paying over KBB for a truck that is not certainly not in "excellent condition".

Anyway... if you experts have any ammo for me to take to the gun fight with the sales manager (yes, that's who I'm dealing with), I'd appreciate it greatly.


Pics:
This truck is a 20ft truck... i.e. looks great from 20 ft away, get close and you see the little dents here and there... not that I mind, but for an asking price that is 4,000.00 over KKB RETAIL, hmmm.




Ranch Hand... whooo, fancy...


In this pic, you should be able to see the crunch I was talking about, just check out that tweaked tailpipe.


Passenger Profile




Front Tires are fine, Rears are almost bald


Driver Profile


Baseball size dent at the rear corner of the bed


Engine Bay Shot


Another Engine Bay Shot


Can't wait to own a truck so I can sell my Dodge (which has been a good truck!)

Thanks in Advance!
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Old 08-18-2010, 08:14 PM
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i wouldn't offer over 8,500 with everything fixed. I could do the repairs that u stated for around $400. But with there labor charges it would probably cost about 2k i would also tell them to put manual locking hubs in. Auto sucks, i went through 2 sets in less than 3 years. You should also get money off for the dents, the bald tires. The truck looks really nice though. I know crew cabs are expensive but truck isn't worth even 9,000.
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Old 08-18-2010, 08:16 PM
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the 4 doors usually hold value pretty well but lets be real. i think 8000 is all id pay
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u can have mine for 8900, got all new balljoints on the front end, new batteries, new starter, new glow plugs and harnesses on the passenger bank, new glow plug relay, new trans and billet torque converter at 216,000 now has 231, new windshield, got tons of reciepts. only problem fuel neck seal leaks on top of front tank a little, and the shifter needs to be tightened up..
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I'd be in for $8000 if the mech stuff was fixed. I'd expect some dents for that year, I like the fact that the engine wasn't all shined up (Always feel like they are hiding something) I'd like to have a factory tailgate and loose that grill guard. As it sits, maybe $6500-$7000.
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Old 08-19-2010, 07:55 PM
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I know it's hard to wait...but I looked for months after looking at many trucks similar to what your looking at. It really depends on the area your in, but it seems in my area 8-10k is about the going rate.

I just bought mine, a 95 with 178k on it, 5 speed for $5800.

It had a horrible oil leak (owner didn't turn wrenches, always paid a shop) and it turned out to be one of the oil lines just needed to be tightened up. It also needs ball joints, the steering box adjusted and maybe a few TRE's and the tires are close to done. But it came loaded, with a supertuner, REALLY straight and clean and I can do the labor myself. I might have a grand in parts after the DIY intake/exhaust...and then some tires. It will be a solid truck!






So, I'd honestly have a hard time paying that much for it but again...it maybe a deal in your area...I know a few dealers near me wanted 10k for trucks with 200k on them and issues. These trucks are POPULAR and cost bucks. Good luck!
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Old 08-20-2010, 07:08 PM
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I can't stress how important it is to keep in mind your location. Here in NY, where the Romans salting the fields of Carthage doesn't even come close to the barbaric practices of winter snow and ice control by the NYDOT, rust-free trucks fetch a PREMIUM. Trucks around here that are 10 years old are usually BEAT. I mean... straight bludgeoned with salt damage. I remember looking at a 2006 diesel Liberty and walking away from it because after 4 years, the bottom of all four doors was rotting out, the frame was badly rusted... it was obvious the previous owner NEVER washed it in the winter, but even if the previous owner HAD been extremely diligent, the salt around here is like time... it's eventually going to get your @ss.

My rust-free '97 that I picked up for $8K might be about the normal going rate for other areas, but up here in the rust belt, where a buttload of trucks were traded in during Imam Obama's public debt for functioning vehicles program, trucks now fetch a premium when in good shape. I am pretty confident that I could easily sell my truck for 12-13 locally, and it's not terribly special. In my home market, the truck's Wyoming salt free past makes it a home-run in NY.
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Not to hijack but that MOBILE phone is SAWEET!!!
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Old 08-21-2010, 06:13 AM
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I'd have to agree, way to much for what you are getting. It took me a year of looking to find my 97 cc 4x4. But it only have 80k miles on it and rust free. I'd keep looking.
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Old 08-22-2010, 12:56 PM
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I'd have to agree with everyone else. A quick search on craigslist in your area shows there are other trucks available in your price range. $8k? Maybe. $12k? hhhmmmmm....
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