ya thats what i trying to do. but i need that type of lugnut that will work with them and the rims. my goal is to get them powder coated a real deep gloss black(mercedes black is what the powder guy calls it), and then put my stock harley caps back on. but I have look all over to get the right lugnut but can't find them. you must know what I mean, eh? and why the lugs would have to be different