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Another radiator with another hole in it..... is there a real fix yet?

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I've got a '12 F250 4wd ccsb and with 89k miles on the clock, and I'm about to tear the 2nd radiator out of the truck.

At ~55k, the OE radiator developed a leak in the normal spot (bottom driver's corner). I talked to FOMOCO, said how insane it is that a radiator would fail on a modern vehicle, and at the end of the day they told me to pound sand. So in a huff i went to mishimoto, thinking that a solid rad would fix the problem. A year and ~30k miles later I walk out to the truck this weekend to find yet another suspicious orange puddle under the drivers-side corner. Looks to be leaking in between the core and the endtank about half way up. I called ford again today. Same lovely treatment, with a $1600 parts/labor bill for another OEM rad, and no word on whether or not it's been improved on at all.

I'm at a loss y'all, I'm not going to pay $1600 per year on radiators. That's insane. When I originally researched it, I found a lot of theories about the crimping or the sealing compound between the tanks and the core being the culprit for the OE rad. I also read theories about the frame flex causing it, but I never heard a consensus.

So what I'm asking is, have there been any developments on this? Has a better solution been found other than throwing radiators at it or just living with the leaks?
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Mishimoto have been notorious for leaking, almost immediately.

More folks have had better luck with an OEM replacement. I had to replace mine at around 100k miles, did so with an OEM. 25k miles later, no issues.

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I just replaced my radiator at 182,000. I've owned the truck since 100,000, I'm pretty sure that it was replaced just before I bought it. I had mine replaced for $753, including labor.
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All,
I've got a '12 F250 4wd ccsb and with 89k miles on the clock, and I'm about to tear the 2nd radiator out of the truck.

At ~55k, the OE radiator developed a leak in the normal spot (bottom driver's corner). I talked to FOMOCO, said how insane it is that a radiator would fail on a modern vehicle, and at the end of the day they told me to pound sand. So in a huff i went to mishimoto, thinking that a solid rad would fix the problem. A year and ~30k miles later I walk out to the truck this weekend to find yet another suspicious orange puddle under the drivers-side corner. Looks to be leaking in between the core and the endtank about half way up. I called ford again today. Same lovely treatment, with a $1600 parts/labor bill for another OEM rad, and no word on whether or not it's been improved on at all.

I'm at a loss y'all, I'm not going to pay $1600 per year on radiators. That's insane. When I originally researched it, I found a lot of theories about the crimping or the sealing compound between the tanks and the core being the culprit for the OE rad. I also read theories about the frame flex causing it, but I never heard a consensus.

So what I'm asking is, have there been any developments on this? Has a better solution been found other than throwing radiators at it or just living with the leaks?
Hi brstanle,

Sorry to hear you're having trouble with our radiator. Shooting you a PM now to see if we can get this resolved for you. We've found with these trucks that it's very important to check wear items attached to the radiator or its mounting such as thermostats, hoses, seals and cab bushings. Since you're saying you have a leak at the core and end-tank, I would say the first thing to check would be your cab bushings. Either way, I'd be happy to get you in touch with our customer service to get this resolved.

Thanks,

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[QUOTE=Mishimoto;14733337]Hi brstanle,

Sorry to hear you're having trouble with our radiator. Shooting you a PM now to see if we can get this resolved for you. We've found with these trucks that it's very important to check wear items attached to the radiator or its mounting such as thermostats, hoses, seals and cab bushings. Since you're saying you have a leak at the core and end-tank, I would say the first thing to check would be your cab bushings. Either way, I'd be happy to get you in touch with our customer service to get this resolved.

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Steve's advice on checking auxiliary items in connection to the radiator is very good advice. It may save you from spending another 2 grand in the future. This is a chronic problem with the Ford cooling systems.


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Sorry for the delay but thanks for the input guys.

Unfortunately from what y'all are saying, it sounds like there hasn't been any real development.

I'm going to go with an OEM Rad this time and get the parts/labor warrantee with the knowledge that when this next one goes I'll have it fixed on ford's dime and punt the truck.

And bam_bam1111, congrats on getting yours replaced for ~$800 but after the hell I raised during the first go-round, I'm pretty sure ford has my number

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Mishimoto will replace your rad for free you just pay shipping and install labor.

Better than nothing I guess.

I'm torn between a mishi and an OEM when I replace mine when the leak gets bigger. Been leaking 5 months now.
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Sorry for the delay but thanks for the input guys.

Unfortunately from what y'all are saying, it sounds like there hasn't been any real development.

I'm going to go with an OEM Rad this time and get the parts/labor warrantee with the knowledge that when this next one goes I'll have it fixed on ford's dime and punt the truck.

And bam_bam1111, congrats on getting yours replaced for ~$800 but after the hell I raised during the first go-round, I'm pretty sure ford has my number

-Brian
I have a good reputable mechanic I take my vehicles to up here. Unfortunately the local Ford garage doesn't have a stellar track record with me.
I do a lot of my own repairs, but when I am short on time I take it to a mechanic (I work construction, and sometimes I only get a day and a half at home in two weeks). The last time I went to the Ford garage I wanted to get tire pressure sensors installed in my '14 f350, since it hasn't had any since I bought the truck (it came with aftermarket rims, no sensors). They told me to just put a piece of electrical tape over the light if it bothers me. I'm not kidding. They offered to sell me sensor at $150/tire, but they didn't know when they would have time to install them(and that $150 didn't include installation). So, when I noticed the leak in my radiator I priced one out online, and just for fun I called the Ford garage and got a price for them to remove and replace. It was just shy of $2,000, a grand in labor​, and around $800 for the radiator, plus shop supplies. My guy charged me $250 to install it, I got it online for $500 including shipping, and he wanted me to swing by in a couple weeks so he could just take a look and make sure there were no leaks after it got some miles on it. Hard to be loyal to Ford service when they gouge so hard.
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I have a good reputable mechanic I take my vehicles to up here. Unfortunately the local Ford garage doesn't have a stellar track record with me.
I do a lot of my own repairs, but when I am short on time I take it to a mechanic (I work construction, and sometimes I only get a day and a half at home in two weeks). The last time I went to the Ford garage I wanted to get tire pressure sensors installed in my '14 f350, since it hasn't had any since I bought the truck (it came with aftermarket rims, no sensors). They told me to just put a piece of electrical tape over the light if it bothers me. I'm not kidding. They offered to sell me sensor at $150/tire, but they didn't know when they would have time to install them(and that $150 didn't include installation). So, when I noticed the leak in my radiator I priced one out online, and just for fun I called the Ford garage and got a price for them to remove and replace. It was just shy of $2,000, a grand in labor​, and around $800 for the radiator, plus shop supplies. My guy charged me $250 to install it, I got it online for $500 including shipping, and he wanted me to swing by in a couple weeks so he could just take a look and make sure there were no leaks after it got some miles on it. Hard to be loyal to Ford service when they gouge so hard.
I'm sorta in the same boat. If it's a job I just don't wanna deal with and the cost vs headache ratio is correct, I take it to my local guy, whom I trust completely. As with most auto manufacturers, Ford has realized the 6.4 and 6.7 primary radiators are problematic, so, naturally they want your first born for parts and labor cuz they know the volume is out there.
I went OEM for replacement when, at 120k miles, the leak was enough to make me uneasy. I decided OEM because it lasted me 120k miles, I have to believe this one will last me another. Mishimoto, on the other hand, have been known to leak almost immediately and it's a constant expense until you're lucky enough to get a unit that won't leak.
...oh, and OEM replacement doesn't require the added expense/time of "checking ancillary" stuff like cab bushings, etc. to ensure a problem free replacement.
It's been almost 10k miles and no issues.

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