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post #1 of 11 Old 12-15-2012, 07:08 AM Thread Starter
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Why H&S?

Did a lot of research on my 6.4 and was convinced that Spartan was the tuner for me. Was just about to take the plunge when a bad oil report came back and I decided to trade into a 6.7

So now here I am thinking about going Spartan on it and all I read about, on multiple forums, is H&S.

Both appear to have tranny tuning and Spartan has power levels to 200 with the Warhammer tune.

After seeing so many people using H&S I am beginning to wonder if my research was too shallow.

Why does someone choose H&S over Spartan? Ease of use? Reliability? Customer Service? Tech help?
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i must say there customer service is awesome
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Slightly cheaper (Atleast it was before all the stuff hit the fan with EPA) shift on the fly are some pluses. I have had to use h&s customer service twice now and they tried to help in every way but the problem ended up being my truck not the tuner but they replaced parts and checked my tuner out anyway. I'm sure spartan has good customer service too. The only thing that made the biggest difference to me is I can switch power levels for daily driving and lower power for towing with a few clicks. Spartan you would have to down load a new tune which takes about 10-15 minutes which us construction workers aren't patient enough to wait before we gotta hook up to a trailer. That's the only thing that made my decision so fast.

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I also looked at both options and chose h&s. I have talked to two different people who have ran both and both prefer h&s. I hear the transmission tuning on the h&s is better than spartan. Also have been told that the spartan warhammer tune does not show hardly any power advantage over the h&s hot tune on the dyno. Not sure how true it is but I was told the spartan warhammer tune is basically a "copy" of the h&s hot tune. Regardless 200 extra hp would not be a priority for me. I will be trying to keep everything pieced together lol.
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By the way if you haven't bought parts yet try Rudys Diesel Performance. I bought intake, exhaust, and tuner from them. Good prices and great to deal with. And I have recently bought my parts and they still had plenty of stock available.
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I too was convinced I wanted Spartan, I ended up going with H&S after reading about shifting issues and poor customer service from Spartan. I really would have liked to try it out tho. I'm sure you can't go wrong with either. It sounds like Spartan is custom writing tunes for the shift issue and is trying to improve their cust. service rep.

As far as the H&S, it is a great product (I have minimaxx) and works great, easy to use and the trans tunes are great.

I would love to feel the extra 50 hp of the warhammer....

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I looked at both and choose spartan. I had spartan on my 6.4 also. I initially had some shifting issues spartan. i called spartan they were great to work with and now has fixed the issues on all tunes except the 200 and they said they should the new tune for it next week. The ability to changes tunes on the fly would be nice, but I was already used to the process with the spartan tuner. I really liked them on the 6.4 and the feeling is pretty much the same with my 6.7.
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I went with Spartan this is my first Ford and they are Ford only so i figured that they should know what they are doing. Well I have had no problems and the customer service has been fine. Also you have to remember that H&S was cheaper and they had EGT readings first, so that could also be a reason why a lot of people have them. As far as H&S hot tune being the same as the warhammer well just look at the different dyno sheets out there the Spartan is the winner. H&S has had their fair share of bad shifting tranny's. I've talked to a few people myself who have had both and stuck with Spartan said it just ran better. Shifting on the fly would be great but I still have yet to see how going from 80 horse to 150 in a matter of seconds can be good for the tranny or anything else. But with all that being said I don't think you could go wrong with either tuner.

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I appreciate all the responses. I do like the idea of the shift on the fly as opposed to the upload time for Spartan. Not a huge deal but if it takes 10 -15 minutes to change tunes, I can see how H&S would benefit me as I change trailers a bit. As Ford#2oil suggested, I looked at Rudys and H&S mini is about $200 less than Spartan. Wasn't sure what a "vin unlock code" was for $95 though. Spartan does have that nice dashdaq display though.....hmmmm. Thanks again everyone.
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H&s has mcc. That puts them head and shoulders above everyone else.
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