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Why not use water/meth system...

If the cost didn't matter and the install was free would you install a water /meth system.

Gas mileage increase is BS (IMO) and the cost of the mix is not cheap.

But wouldn't you want to use it to help keep down EGT?

I guess I'm asking what are your thoughts.
Some guys who have their trucks tune up high and rag the crap out it said they would never.
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There have been tests that have proven EGT's won't drop, even just using water. Diesel Power did a test a few years back using a tuned 6.4L. Some say that too much methanol will cause valve stem wear. I personally just don't see the point in running a kit given the testing that has been done.
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If the cost didn't matter and the install was free would you install a water /meth system.

Gas mileage increase is BS (IMO) and the cost of the mix is not cheap.

But wouldn't you want to use it to help keep down EGT?

I guess I'm asking what are your thoughts.
Some guys who have their trucks tune up high and rag the crap out it said they would never.
I have 2009 F-250 and a Snow Performance Water meth kit on it. It brought my EGTs down several hundred degrees when running pulling wide open passes. No idea what the magazine was doing that they didn't gain anything, but I'm glad I have it. I also dynoed on my last engine and running a 50/50 mix I gained 34 RWHP on the dyno while spraying vs not, before all the mods I have now. I really like mine and it's on a 6.4L so yes it does everything it's suppose to just like on all the other diesels that have had good results with it.
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I remember the article Jeff was referring to. The test seemed to be well thought out and the results were water/meth didn't do much as he said. It is interesting that someone else would have such different results. I would like to see data logs with it turned on and off cause I have no good explanation as to why there appears to be such different results with the same system.

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Personally I don't 100% trust product testing done by magazines that make their money by advertising different companies products. The hydrogen generator comes to mind that a magazine said had huge fuel mileage increases but it came out later that the test vehicle had a second hidden fuel tank that was switched to during the tests.


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Personally I don't 100% trust product testing done by magazines that make their money by advertising different companies products. The hydrogen generator comes to mind that a magazine said had huge fuel mileage increases but it came out later that the test vehicle had a second hidden fuel tank that was switched to during the tests.


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Agreed, except in this case the magazine said it did NOT help. IIRC Mike D was one of the testers and he doesn't work for the mag.

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Agreed, except in this case the magazine said it did NOT help. IIRC Mike D was one of the testers and he doesn't work for the mag.
Maybe the maker of the water injection kit canceled their advertising contract with the magazine. LOL


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I can only tell you what I experienced with my 6.4 and the kit isn't adding a ton of power that they all advertise but it does add some and it does lower my EGTs. They don't pay me to say it and I had to pay for my kit. Glad I have it and I wouldn't take it off as I like it that much. I'm running a 50/50 mix that I buy straight methanol in a 5 gallon gas can. I buy 2 1/2 gallons of methanol and then add 2 1/2 gallons of water. That's what I run. It's way cheaper that way than buying their pre made 50% mix in gallon containers.
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Agreed, except in this case the magazine said it did NOT help. IIRC Mike D was one of the testers and he doesn't work for the mag.
yep, we used water only, and the EGT did not drop whatsoever.

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How much were you spraying? Do you know what nozzles sizes they were using and how many nozzles total were used? I don't get why I have gotten good results but you all didn't. I also have dyno sheets showing a 34 RWHP pick up when spraying vs not. 534 no spray, 566 while spraying. This was when I was just deleted, intake, exhaust, and tuner.



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