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Old 10-26-2010, 04:37 PM
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tuner/dpf delete install

Without making this a pissing match, can someone tell me the difference between Spartan and H&S as far as install. I have read plenty on the power that both are making. Im not really looking for power just to delete the emissions garbage. Is it true H&S doen not require the sensors be replaced. Also, I read the sticky concerning the Spartan installation tips. Is this the same procedure for the other tuners. Sorry, Im sure you guys get this all the time but Im trying to figure out what to go with.
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H&S does not require you to use any of the sensors from the downpipe back. That cuts some headache out if you have a older truck. Lots of guys find it tuff to get the rear egt and the nipple out of the stock exhaust.
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Old 10-26-2010, 06:29 PM
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Here is the list I made before my purchase:

Spartan:
  • Pros
    • Extremely precise tuning for the Powerstroke
    • Proven performance
    • The best display platform available
    • Easy installation and operation
    • Possible MPG increase
  • Cons
    • Cost > $1200
    • No transmission tuning (requires a separate module)
    • No on-the-fly power level changes
    • Must reuse exhaust sensors with CAT/DPF delete

H&S:
  • Pros
    • Cost ~$900 (MiniMaxx)
    • Growing customer satisfaction
    • Transmission tuning
    • On-the-fly power levels
    • Easy installation and operation
    • Nice display (MiniMaxx)
    • Great display (BlackMaxx)
    • No exhaust sensors required
    • Possible MPG increase
  • Cons
    • Cost ~$1200 (BlackMaxx)
    • Small screen (MiniMaxx)
    • Not targeted specifically at the Powerstroke (generic)

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Old 10-27-2010, 04:02 AM
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H&S does not require you to use any of the sensors from the downpipe back. That cuts some headache out if you have a older truck. Lots of guys find it tuff to get the rear egt and the nipple out of the stock exhaust.
Mine is an 08 with 21k. So if you dont reuse the sensors what happens to them? Do they just get tied up out of the way? If so has anyone had issues with them if they needed to put back on the original exhaust
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I was wondering that my self. I see that there is another point where the sensors connect to the wiring of the system that is tucked up against the bottom of the truck. Do you just disconnect them there and leave them in the DPF/CAT pipes while you store it? Then just re-connect them at the wire connection point once needed to put the DPF/CAT back on for Smog Testing or Service?

Curious because where I live, I'm in one of the two counties in the whole damn state that requires yearly Smog testing for Diesel Trucks! This sounds way easier than screwing and unscrewing the damn sensors in and out every year.
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Old 10-27-2010, 07:49 AM
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I personally have a mini maxx and did the install myself but recently had to put the dpf back on for warranty work. If your wondering the dealer said absolutely nothing about me having a chip on it so maybe these things are undetectable. Anyway back to the question. With the H&S you have absolutely no sensors in the exhaust it is just straight piped. Just simply unplug all the sensors and leave them in the exhaust. this made it extremely easy to reinstall the factory exhaust because I didn't have to worry about getting the sensors out of the exhaust every time i change it out.
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You just unplug the sensors and leave them in the dpf/doc H&S tuning just ignores them mine are still in the delete pipe from when i was running the spartan no problems! I would not leave them in the dpf/doc when r&r'ing they will get broke fairly easy!
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Old 10-27-2010, 07:59 AM
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I think someone asked what to do with the wiring harness connectors. I taped mine up so crud could not get in the and cable-tied them so they were not simply hanging (not that they were anyway). That way, the plugs should plug right back up...

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^^^^Very good advise alot of crap gets under these trucks get some die-electric grease pack that in the plug then tape it up that will do the trick i do had to replace the wiring harness on my hid's from 1 year of weather so all the connections got that treatment this time around!
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Ok just so Im clear, when you take the stock exhaust off the sensors stay attached to it, and you dont have to mess with them. When its time to put it back on i just hook all the oem crap back up and go. Is this right? And kind of off topic but what can I expect to pay for a Mini Maxx and some type of exhaust with a muffler? I want it as quiet as possible.
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