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post #1 of 30 Old 07-23-2010, 11:31 AM Thread Starter
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Why does the Spartan require sensors while H&S does not?

Really on the fence between the Spartan and H&S. From what I can tell the two big pluses for the H&S are changing tunes on the fly and not needing any sensors in the exhaust. Spartans advantage seems to be the 13 tunes out of the box. Which I really like that.

Why does the Spartan require the sensors in the exhaust? If HS can do away with them you would think Spartan could as well. Is there some sort of benefit to keeping them?
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I'm gonna throw the first punch.....It's because Spartan has better features overall, better service, better support, better tech help, better nachos, and a partridge in a pear tree when it comes to giving the customer a variety of options right out of the box. I don't own, use, read about, google, bing..or even bother flipping the pages of DieselPower when I see the H&S add...nor do I even know what time zone the sales office is in.Don't care to either. I'm sure they are great people but I'm not wasting money to dumb down in a tuner to find out. I have yet to see H&S match the functionality of the Spartan...and most people running H&S are in my rear veiw mirror 99.99999 % of the time (kickin' themselves for trying to run against me and my Spartan)

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There are plenty of threads available to discuss who is better, or who they think is better. Nothing that you have stated has anything to do with the topic, nor help the OP in any way in answering their question. I think there are many things in your statement that are up for debate, but this isn't really the thread to do it. Even if it was, it always ends up bad and does nothing productive. Lets keep it on track please.
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I will keep it on track going forward sir. you are correct.. i was trying to get in on the action since 68 people read this post and only us 3 have replied... i stand by my statements regardless...there are WAYYYY too many posts of this same questions being asked over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and....you get the point. good night!! =)
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I agree about the same questions being asked over and over. One of the reasons that they don't get answered is you get the same few guys that instantly post " Brand X is better" and disregard the real question being asked. Both companies have a lot to offer, and each have their own unique selling features. To say that one company is the best, is not very accurate, when in a lot ways you are comparing apples to oranges. The features that appeal to one customer may not even be important to the next. The good thing is that there are many options available to the consumer, and in that regard, the consumer wins.

As to the original post, we see no benefit to having the sensors re-installed into the aftermarket exhaust. The readings you would get from a sensor installed that far down the exhaust stream are really not of much use. The factory operating code shuts down the starter if the sensors are removed, and that is why you must re-install them with all other tuners on the market. We just modified the code in order for the engine to start without sensors. We saw way too many guys breaking sensors trying to get them out of the factory exhaust, so we spent a lot of time figuring out the code. Hopefully this helps answer the question you had, but if not feel free to ask, as I am always glad to answer a question if I can.

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Another thing to consider if you are on the fence is H&S allows you to adjust your speedo for tire size, while Spartan costs $100 for them to adjust 3 tunes for you. If you ever plan to change your tire size, this might be something to consider.

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h&s offers shift on the fly and FREE, did i say FREE! software upgrades and tunes. Good question why doesn't Spartan delete the sensors?..

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I'm leaning toward H&S due to not having to mess with the sensors. I am buying an extended warranty and it will make it easier to reinstall the dpf/cat if it has to go in for work. They both do seem to be well liked by most all customers. I also hear nothing but praise from each tuner pertaining to the other. It is also nice that they are both active on the boards. My Viper tuner is also very active on the boards and I got a sense of what he was like from reading his posts for a year.

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I think stevep needs to read the sticky from the mods in which they discourage the exact kind of stupid posting that do not help answer the OP question and start an unnecessary pissing match.
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Why does the Spartan require the sensors in the exhaust? If HS can do away with them you would think Spartan could as well. Is there some sort of benefit to keeping them?
As to the OP, there are pros and cons to each tuner. Do your research on each and see which one fits your needs the best. I believe Casey answered your question about why H&S doesn't need to reinstall sensors.

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