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Question SCT LiveWire Extreme - Truck Reports False MPG??

I haven't seen this anywhere on this forum yet, so I decided to start a new thread. Hopefully some of you SCT owners out there can give me some insight...

First off, I have a 2008 F-250 6.4L Crew Cab, TorqShift Tranny and 3.73 gears on factory 20" wheels with factory tires.

I recently purchased a flo-pro 4" downpipe-back exhaust kit and SCT Livewire tuner from DPFDeleteKits.com. I already had installed an Airaid intake kit before hand. Installation of exhaust kit and tuning of the truck was simple.

I tuned the truck with the "Pre-loaded" Extreme tune, using the agressive shift option, and made no adjustments to the WOT transmission shift points.

Upon driving the truck around (about 70% city, averaging 20 or so through town, and about 30% highway, averaging around 50-60), I am seeing 18-19 MPG on the information center. I was extremely pleased to see this, being nearly a 100% increase in mileage from before. However, I started realizing that I was only getting around 350 miles per tank on fillups, filling up to around 26 gallons each time. This gives me around 13.5 MPG - which confuses me.

To test, I have attempted to tune the truck a number of different ways:
Extreme + Stock Trans
Performance + Agressive Trans
Performance + Stock Trans
Tow + Stock Trans

My results tell me that the "Extreme" tune is somehow fooling the computer into reporting a much higher MPG, since Performance and Tow modes report accurate MPG (I am seeing about 12.5 MPG using either tune under similar driving conditions). So, yes, Extreme mode is getting the best MPG - but it's reporting it entirely too high on the Information Center...

Please tell me someone else has seen this with the LiveWire?

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This is why its coined the "lie-o-meter" by the majority of Ford Super Duty owners. You have to hand calculate to get an accurate fuel economy reading.

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This is why its coined the "lie-o-meter" by the majority of Ford Super Duty owners. You have to hand calculate to get an accurate fuel economy reading.
Agreed, and I usually do, but why in the world would it only do this with one tune and not with the others?

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Agreed, and I usually do, but why in the world would it only do this with one tune and not with the others?
I have heard people say the same thing about certain Spartan tunes, some are more accurate with the truck display than others. I can't give you an answer. The only people that can are the people who make the tunes.

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My dad has a 2008 F-350 King ranch with the same exhaust as you, but MBRP duals coming off the muffler, True Flow intake, stock 20s with 3.73s, Spartan Tuned running the 210, and his Lie-o-meter says 16 on the highway, but it is not accurate at all. He gets less than that.

I wonder if its something to do with the stock 20s that come on the king ranch? I always thought the meters read less than the truck was actually getting.

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like said above, nothing wrong with your truck, computer lie-o-meter is pointless tuned or stock.

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Ironically, I've just realized this within the last week or so as well. Here I've been all proud that I went from 13 mpg's to 18 with the tuner and delete, but when I hand calc'ed the mileage the last two tanks were spot on 13.5... Where's my increase? I never even looked at the actual miles on the tripometer, just watched the avg. on the dash float between 18 and 19 mpg's. I was down with temporarily voiding my warrenty for 5mpg's, but not for a half a mile per gallon! Never even tried the other canned tunes or shifts, should I saty on the extreme?

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Iv had a livewire xtreme tune running about 5 weeks now. DOC/DPF delete. 08 job3 4x4 CC 20" stock. hand calc is now; hwy:15.5-17, hwy lie meter reads 21.2 but subtract about 5-6 mpgs... mixed: 13.5. Before my dash read 10.5 this winter now it reads 15.5 mixed; hand calc is 13.5 consistently. hand calc bfore was like 9.8. Summary; im seeing about 3.5mpg improvement. Odd thing is i expected to see a little better improvement on hwy. BUT i would say the winter blend diesel is still in the supply chain so by June will have better data to compare to last summers numbers. Fueling up: as you know the diesel foams so once it clicks off I always put 3 more gals in which usually brings it up in the neck. im trying to stay consistent on this so im comparing apples to apples as much as possible.
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Update on my current situation: I installed EGR block plates and turned on that option on the SCT tuner. I went to Florida and back, and my average was 15.6mpg. This was 70mph average. I am really upset now -- I used to get upwards of 20mpg on my 6.0 and I fully expected to get at least that good with the 6.4.

I'm thinking about changing to Spartan...any other ideas?

By the way, the reason I did the block plates is because the truck was smoking excessively and running very "dirty" (sluggish acceleration unless I absolutely floored it, constant stream of black smoke on moderate acceleration, and the engine didn't sound as smooth as it usually did). Since putting in the plates, my overall power (particularly low boost) is much improved, the motor runs much cleaner, and the truck only smokes on the initial take off, as I would normally expect. However, I still see no improvement in MPG!

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Cool Tire size in tune?

The first thing I would do is check that your odometer is correct with the tunes. Either drive somewhere that you know the exact mileage for or, like I did, compare the odometer to a GPS if you have access to one. Those satellites are mostly Military and very, very accurate! Within each tune on an SCT, there's a setting for either "Tire Diameter" or "Revolutions per Mile" - if that's off in a particular tune, it will just accentuate the "Lie-o-Meter's" error. Hope this helps.

I had an SCT Livewire and now run their TSX tuner which, BTW has no way to change the tire size? The Livewire does!

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