Is SCT livewire "traceable" ???

[CobbsDieselPerformance]

Originally Posted by 2005josh2006

Woah little buddy.. So he's sold hundreds of units and you dont even own 1 yet your the expert now?

Wildcat is the expert of everything, just ask Pahrump. There have been a handful of people that have had "suits" fly in with they're dinky lil' laptops and digg through the ECM looking for evidence, guess what? They found nothing, absolutely nothing, they warrantied the trucks with no question. Pahrump witnessed this first hand when they replaced his fuel system.

As stated on the Spartan website:

"Lots of rumors surround the current situation as to if aftermarket tuning devices are detectable
in the new 6.4L Powerstroke Diesels. For most devices on the market, the answer to that
question is YES. Ford Motor Company has special algorithms in place within the factory
computers to detectthe download of a program from a non-Ford programming device; which
triggers the diagnostic troublecode "P167F", defined as "Non-OEM programming detected."
This code is only viewable with Ford dealer or Ford Engineering diagnostic equipment, and will
not be read or cleared by any other tuning device or diagnostic code reader on the market.
This code is also stored in multiple computer modules scattered about the vehicle, meaning
that "clearing" or resetting the engine controller alone will not force the code to go away.

Other in-line devices (tuning devices that plug into the engine harness connections rather
than being downloaded as a programmer) claim to be undetectable since there is no actual
download of a program through the computer system. However, this is not true, as the
factory computer(s) collect and store information from the engine in the form of
"freeze frames". These freeze-frame data collections WILL show evidence of the use of any
in-line tuning device even after the product is removed from the trucks. And unlike
previous model trucks upon which the computer can be "cleared" by the practice of
removing/unhooking the battery cables, all information on the 6.4L vehicles is stored in
"non-volatile" memory, meaning the information is stored permanently until overwritten.
A traditional "reset" cannot be performed, meaning the evidence of use of a in-line device
will be shown to any Ford dealer or Ford engineer for a very, very long time.

Our tuning devices use a proprietary process when saving the stock tune and downloading
our custom tuning to "emulate" the presence of a Ford factoryprogramming device. In
doing so, the presence of the "P167F" diagnostic code is prevented. Likewise, when a
vehicle is returned back to stock using our device, multiple computer modules are internally
reset to prevent and delete other tell-tale evidence of aftermarket tuning. This gives our
Spartan Phalanx programming device the highest level of undetectablilty available on the
market, helping to preserve your factory warranty and preventing warranty denial by Ford.
As Ford truck owners ourselves, our crew members share the concern about preserving
factory warranty and understand the stress involved when choosing an aftermarket device
in this respect. This is why we take every measure to protect our customers' confidentiality
and spend tremendous development effort to do so."

[Hank]

Just subscribing to see if I can learn something..........

[Pahrump]

Originally Posted by CobbsDieselPerformance

Wildcat is the expert of everything, just ask Pahrump. There have been a handful of people that have had "suits" fly in with they're dinky lil' laptops and digg through the ECM looking for evidence, guess what? They found nothing, absolutely nothing, they warrantied the trucks with no question. Pahrump witnessed this first hand when they replaced his fuel system.

Dont get me started on him and his crossdressing...I will get a warning and maybe banned over here.

As for being un-traceable...hell all I can tell you is that they just "knew" my truck had been tuned...so they looked and looked, wasted FORDS money flying in a regional tech..etc...and found nothing and did the work. Thats all I KNOW.

[08stroker250]

Why the .org even let him back on here???

[!!!PainTrain!!!]

All it takes is for a tech to look at the pistons to tell if a motor has been tuned...

[Wildcat]

Originally Posted by 08stroker250

Yea, no one can truly advertise that a tuner is not traceable. Most dealers don't have the equipment to trace it, but someone higher up can come in and check up on a vehicle getting warranty work done and they have the diagnostics tools to dig deeper in the ECM. Just a heads up

Originally Posted by CobbsDieselPerformance

Wildcat is the expert of everything, just ask Pahrump. There have been a handful of people that have had "suits" fly in with they're dinky lil' laptops and digg through the ECM looking for evidence, guess what? They found nothing, absolutely nothing, they warrantied the trucks with no question. Pahrump witnessed this first hand when they replaced his fuel system.

Hey you guys might wanna get your stories straight before you post. So if they can dig deeper why didnt they find anything on Pahrump's truck? Could you explain a little better so other members can understand?

[08stroker250]

Originally Posted by Wildcat

Hey you guys might wanna get your stories straight before you post. So if they can dig deeper why didnt they find anything on Pahrump's truck? Could you explain a little better so other members can understand?

I didn't know Pahrump's truck had proven that theory wrong, my bad. If the Spartan website says it's not traceable then it's not, but if I remember correctly this is a SCT Livewire thread, and Spartan should not be brought up in this. I guess my agreeing with you in my first post (not intentionally and to get your hopes up), and then my last comment asking why they let you back on here got you upset. I didn't figure my opinion would affect you all that much.

BUT, let's not get in to an argument so 2 threads in one day don't get locked up.

[Pahrump]

Originally Posted by Wildcat

Hey you guys might wanna get your stories straight before you post. So if they can dig deeper why didnt they find anything on Pahrump's truck? Could you explain a little better so other members can understand?

They did not pull the heads on my truck.


I have no doubts that someone that knows how to use GOOGLE can spot a tunes truck with the heads off...so with that being said if you require internal engine work and your running a tuner its a crapshoot...maybe..maybe not, who knows...and no one can say, it will be a call on the tech, FORD..etc..or maybe they wont even look/care.

Now the tuner being electronically un-detectable is a big thing for all other repairs that the heads will not come off...trans, oil leaks, fuel issues..etc..etc.

[CobbsDieselPerformance]

Originally Posted by Pahrump

I have no doubts that someone that knows how to use GOOGLE can spot a tunes truck with the heads off...

Not according to George C!

[DavidPhillips]

No tuner is detectable as long as you remove it and set fire to the truck making sure it burns to the ground before you take it in for warranty work.