More destruction - more fixing - Twoicebergs - Ford Powerstroke Diesel Forum
6.0L Performance Parts Discussion What has or has not worked for you?

 15Likes
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
post #1 of 47 Old 07-21-2014, 07:32 PM Thread Starter
Premium Member

 
twoicebergs's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Oakbank, Manitoba
Posts: 3,434
Thanks: 8
Thanked 125 Times in 117 Posts
Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Quoted: 37 Post(s)
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Torque Converter Issues.

I thought a year ago I needed a new torque converter, but it turned out to be a loose tune. This past April I had a slight rumble and grind that lasted a few seconds under light acceleration, but I could not repeat it. Fast forward 2 months and it shows up again, but is was never repeatable. I did some stall tests and ran the diagnostics on the transmission and nothing shows up, except for slightly low line pressure. Happens again about 1 month later, again with no "smack me in the forehead with a 2x4" diagnosis. Go out an hour later and run a stall test and it stalls out at 1300 RPM; finally seems to show a problem, but no other symptoms or noise. Run stall again and it shows 1900-2000 RPM. Take my boat out to the lake and on the return trip it starts to slip with a bit of grind, almost like something is loose, then it runs fine. Changed the fluid and filters, dropped the pan and everything looks pretty reasonable, except for the grey mushroom on the magnet! Give it another stall test and it screeches like a bad turbo or up-pipe leak. I pull the turbo disassemble it and all is fine. Well, that was a waste of 2.5 hours, but at least I can tell Charlie the turbo is holding up just fine. Now I am back to realizing it was probably just the TC and perhaps the clutch pack were a bit worn (trans still shifts really well), I called Andy Warren and ordered the Comp Plus with the Stallion converter. The end point of the story is that the TC was not displaying a typical breakdown.

So 2 days later I am dragging the boat out to the lake. I thought I had a bit more drive left in it, but it started making rattling noises on the way home again, but this time I could push through the TC. The funny thing is, the fluid still looks and feels good and the temps were pretty steady at 158*. It is now parked waiting for the new transmission to arrive! If the delivery gods are on my side I will have it installed by Saturday, but I suspect it will show up after I head back out to work, so it might be another week or 2.

I will take some pictures of the pretty little thing when it arrives. I will cut the TC apart for some damage assessment. I may crack the trans as well. I guess the new lawnmower will have to wait until next year well maybe.
ZIKA and Lilpooh like this.

Frank
2007 F-250 Lariat Crew. MBM 190/50s,
KC-68 Stage 3 Turbo,
DashBoss/F/P, and a few other goodies
Stiction Problems - Fix it yourself! - http://www.powerstroke.org/forum/gen...ml#post4509754
Want to modify your injectors DIY - http://www.powerstroke.org/forum/6-0...ger-flows.html

Working for Toys

Last edited by twoicebergs; 11-01-2015 at 11:40 PM. Reason: Better description of main issue.
twoicebergs is online now  
post #2 of 47 Old 07-21-2014, 08:13 PM
Compression Ignition Addict
 
ZIKA's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Brecksville, OH
Posts: 385
Thanks: 4
Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
That's kinda funny that you mentioned the lawn mower becuase my "new zero turn" fund went to Andy Warren just this last May. Trans has been great though!

06 F250 Reg Cab. ARP's, RCD Billet Powermax, Warren 190/100's, Areo A1000 Pump, Driven Diesel Reg Return, All AN Lines from the sump, Intake and Exhaust, 4" BDS Lift, Long Arm 4-Link, Dana 80 swap, 1480 u-joints, 4"/.108 driveline, Detroit Lockers (both axles), Warren Trans w/ Billet Shafts, Drive Flanges, 35"s, Traction Bars, Front Suspension Stops(For Tug-A-Truck), Rear Suspension Stops, Custom Hitch, Roll Pan, Lots of Drive Shafts, Axles, and Pinions.
ZIKA is offline  
post #3 of 47 Old 07-22-2014, 02:39 AM
XL trash...
 
Merc82's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Lake Worth
Posts: 4,092
Thanks: 178
Thanked 254 Times in 225 Posts
Mentioned: 15 Post(s)
Quoted: 188 Post(s)
Feedback Score: 1 reviews
In for the pics!

Chris- 2006 XL F250 44 LBCC, the "Don Schula express"..

Holder's 190/30s, custom reg return, 6.7 pump fuel system, custom built Amsoil oil bypass, custom ported intake and custom stage 2 GT4088 turbo, all built by me, BD diesel up-pipes and manifolds , Coolingmist methanol injection, studded, PMF traction Bars, deleted and oringed heads with some BPD goodies... with some love from Loxdce
Merc82 is offline  
post #4 of 47 Old 07-22-2014, 08:48 AM
Compression Ignition Addict
 
strokin6L's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: springville NY
Posts: 2,626
Thanks: 24
Thanked 54 Times in 49 Posts
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Quoted: 3 Post(s)
Feedback Score: 1 reviews
Interesting as I believe my TC is getting pretty warn out also. I'm not hearing any noises from the TC or tranny...but the truck doesn't pull as hard and accelerate as it use to...especially when it goes into lockup. Just seems like it's gotten worse in the last few years. How did you do the stall tests?

2004 F-350 SC 4x4, XLT, 4" dual Magnaflow, AFE intake, No Limit piping, spearco intercooler, water injection, ARP studs, hypemax o-ringed heads, SCT tuned by Innovative Diesel, tuned FICM, Hellman's sump, FASS, Fuelab, regulated return, 190/75 injectors, KC/MTW 68 w/.72ar, suncoast trans w/billet input, edge insight CS with dakota digital gauges, amsoil by-pass, BD exhaust manifolds
strokin6L is offline  
post #5 of 47 Old 07-22-2014, 08:56 AM
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
 
ZMANN's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 15,995
Thanks: 679
Thanked 799 Times in 767 Posts
Mentioned: 82 Post(s)
Quoted: 857 Post(s)
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
are you doing the 09 in pan filter mod ? or do they ship them with it ?

.
.
.
Please donate to DTR Ron's Memorial
https://www.gofundme.com/2464axqr
We Miss you Ronnie
RIP
ZMANN is offline  
post #6 of 47 Old 07-22-2014, 10:12 AM
Compression Ignition Addict
 
snopro_03's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Malone WI
Posts: 292
Thanks: 2
Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Quote:
Originally Posted by strokin6L View Post
Interesting as I believe my TC is getting pretty warn out also. I'm not hearing any noises from the TC or tranny...but the truck doesn't pull as hard and accelerate as it use to...especially when it goes into lockup. Just seems like it's gotten worse in the last few years. How did you do the stall tests?
Mines feeling the same way. Still pretty amazing the abuse a 5r can take in fairly stock form.

Chad

2003 6leaker
N.E.W 2.5 Truck
snopro_03 is offline  
post #7 of 47 Old 07-22-2014, 12:29 PM Thread Starter
Premium Member

 
twoicebergs's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Oakbank, Manitoba
Posts: 3,434
Thanks: 8
Thanked 125 Times in 117 Posts
Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Quoted: 37 Post(s)
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Quote:
are you doing the 09 in pan filter mod ? or do they ship them with it ?
I didn't ask, but I believe you need the new pan.

Quote:
How did you do the stall tests?
Brakes set on hard surface. Hold brake pedal fully down and ease into the accelerator pedal. As you approach 1,800 RPM keep pushing toward WOT. Depending on the set stall and power, it should stall out about 1900-2100 RPM, usually closer to the lower limit. Do it in both forward and reverse to eliminate solenoid issues. There are a number of other test based on IDLE and WOT in the various positions (P/N R D 3 2 1) if you have the diagnostic tools to check line pressure and SPCC x pressure, but these will usually just confirm already noticeable bad shifting issues that may be solenoid or clutch pack related.

I am speculating my TCC has failed (as in partially broken). With the excess amount of fuzz on the magnet, I conceded the transmission probably needed to be rebuilt soon, but again, there could be other problems lurking as I notice some cracking on the trans/transfer case adapter. Maybe I am just paranoid and it is just normal casting cracks. I won't know until it is all off.

I dove it today for about 12 miles and it ran fairly normally, but I was able to get a bit of noise out of it after a few hard accelerations.

Frank
2007 F-250 Lariat Crew. MBM 190/50s,
KC-68 Stage 3 Turbo,
DashBoss/F/P, and a few other goodies
Stiction Problems - Fix it yourself! - http://www.powerstroke.org/forum/gen...ml#post4509754
Want to modify your injectors DIY - http://www.powerstroke.org/forum/6-0...ger-flows.html

Working for Toys
twoicebergs is online now  
post #8 of 47 Old 07-22-2014, 12:33 PM
Compression Ignition Addict
 
ZIKA's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Brecksville, OH
Posts: 385
Thanks: 4
Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
He did mine with the "in pan" filter and just gave me an updated pan. Then simply remove the OE toilet paper filter.

06 F250 Reg Cab. ARP's, RCD Billet Powermax, Warren 190/100's, Areo A1000 Pump, Driven Diesel Reg Return, All AN Lines from the sump, Intake and Exhaust, 4" BDS Lift, Long Arm 4-Link, Dana 80 swap, 1480 u-joints, 4"/.108 driveline, Detroit Lockers (both axles), Warren Trans w/ Billet Shafts, Drive Flanges, 35"s, Traction Bars, Front Suspension Stops(For Tug-A-Truck), Rear Suspension Stops, Custom Hitch, Roll Pan, Lots of Drive Shafts, Axles, and Pinions.
ZIKA is offline  
post #9 of 47 Old 07-22-2014, 01:04 PM
Compression Ignition Addict
 
strokin6L's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: springville NY
Posts: 2,626
Thanks: 24
Thanked 54 Times in 49 Posts
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Quoted: 3 Post(s)
Feedback Score: 1 reviews
Now when you say "stall"....am I looking for the engine to tall out? Not sure as I don't know squat about it haha!

2004 F-350 SC 4x4, XLT, 4" dual Magnaflow, AFE intake, No Limit piping, spearco intercooler, water injection, ARP studs, hypemax o-ringed heads, SCT tuned by Innovative Diesel, tuned FICM, Hellman's sump, FASS, Fuelab, regulated return, 190/75 injectors, KC/MTW 68 w/.72ar, suncoast trans w/billet input, edge insight CS with dakota digital gauges, amsoil by-pass, BD exhaust manifolds
strokin6L is offline  
post #10 of 47 Old 07-22-2014, 05:43 PM Thread Starter
Premium Member

 
twoicebergs's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Oakbank, Manitoba
Posts: 3,434
Thanks: 8
Thanked 125 Times in 117 Posts
Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Quoted: 37 Post(s)
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
It may in fact stall as in quit when you let off the pedal, but not usually. Stall means it will not rev past that point unless you break through the brakes or the TC or trans are broken. This is hard on all the parts, so it should only be done sporadically. However, the brake stand/boost launch crowd do it all the time and sometimes break their trucks!

Frank
2007 F-250 Lariat Crew. MBM 190/50s,
KC-68 Stage 3 Turbo,
DashBoss/F/P, and a few other goodies
Stiction Problems - Fix it yourself! - http://www.powerstroke.org/forum/gen...ml#post4509754
Want to modify your injectors DIY - http://www.powerstroke.org/forum/6-0...ger-flows.html

Working for Toys
twoicebergs is online now  
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the Ford Powerstroke Diesel Forum forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in









Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.



Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode



Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome