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Old 09-15-2013, 07:59 PM
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warren 190/75 or 190/30???

So I'm stuck right now with my injectors me and jesse have been messaging back and forth talking about my options. Heres the deal I'm for sure putting in 190's on my truck from him no doubt but with the amount that I tow and as periodically as I do I don't know whether to go with a 75 nozzle or a 30 nozzle jess said that he runs a 190/30 on his tow rig and its clean and great but if i want to run a 75 on them as long as my tow tune can restrict the fuel well enough it wouldnt hurt it at all. What are my risk if i go 190/75 i tow anywhere from 16 to 32ft cattle trailers full of cows and or horses and also farm machinery pretty often. Also what are my hp differences between getting the 190/75 vs the 190/30 need help and suggestions and experiences?!?!?
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Having the right turbo to help clean up the fuel is essential and aids with not having to pull as much fuel. If you can clean that fuel up you'll be golden. As for the /30 vs /75 nozzle, I think you could have fuel pulled and have your tuner work you a pretty good tow file and I'd recommend Matt at Gearhead for that. tow tuning also works the transmission data and he's great at it. I say go with the 75's and be done with it. I'm assuming you're upgrading turbos because 190's on a stock turbo is pushing the envelope a bit...hahaha It's doable but not optimal.
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Having the right turbo to help clean up the fuel is essential and aids with not having to pull as much fuel. If you can clean that fuel up you'll be golden. As for the /30 vs /75 nozzle, I think you could have fuel pulled and have your tuner work you a pretty good tow file and I'd recommend Matt at Gearhead for that. tow tuning also works the transmission data and he's great at it. I say go with the 75's and be done with it. I'm assuming you're upgrading turbos because 190's on a stock turbo is pushing the envelope a bit...hahaha It's doable but not optimal.
Thank you I was thinking it should be fine as long as my tune was good also just got me thinking when he told me he ran 30's on his but ok Jesse has me tune that he said would work good with the 75's and yes I'm definitely switching out turbos I was thinking a stage 1 powermax do you think that would be pretty idea or you got any suggestions?
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stage 1 is a great turbo. It won't clean up 190 completely but it's a great towing turbo as well. You can also opt for the 10-blade turbine version which will help flow more air on the top end which will aid in cleaning up the fuel but has the potential to be a little laggy down low, but that can be fixed with tuning as well.
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So I'm stuck right now with my injectors me and jesse have been messaging back and forth talking about my options. Heres the deal I'm for sure putting in 190's on my truck from him no doubt but with the amount that I tow and as periodically as I do I don't know whether to go with a 75 nozzle or a 30 nozzle jess said that he runs a 190/30 on his tow rig and its clean and great but if i want to run a 75 on them as long as my tow tune can restrict the fuel well enough it wouldnt hurt it at all. What are my risk if i go 190/75 i tow anywhere from 16 to 32ft cattle trailers full of cows and or horses and also farm machinery pretty often. Also what are my hp differences between getting the 190/75 vs the 190/30 need help and suggestions and experiences?!?!?
I have his 190/30s installed and with ported and polished heads and a ported intake i have no trouble hitting 1600 unloaded i havent tried to haul anything but a$$
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I think you will be better off with 30 nozzles, there's not going to be that big of a difference in HP from 30 to 75s maybe 15hp tops and thats with a race tune, not a tow tune. 30s will atomize better and give you more torque since you are using your truck to tow mainly. 190s are pretty big for a pmax or stage 1 so keeping egts in check will take a lot of tuning.
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30 nozzles and good tuning


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My thoughts on the 75% nozzles was if he's gonna pay for the upgraded nozzles, he may as well get as much out of it as possible for the cost.
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I running 190/75's with the hybrid. Truck towed roughly 6k lbs from NY to NC through the hilly terrain of WV and Virginia with only hitting about 1000* egts running ID's tow tune with breaking. I know its not a lot of weight but the stage 1 will flow better than this hybrid. I say go with 75% nozzles.
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If you're towing frequently, then I'm not sure why you are looking at 190cc injectors and a dinky turbo like a Stage 1/Powermax. I guess it all depends on the weight you're looking to yank around. I have 190/100s, and I couldn't imagine trying to tow with these injectors and a Stage 1. On Eric's Xtreme X, I could 1800F EGTs before 80 mph empty and I don't see the point in getting 190s and then cramping down the injector's ability to flow just to say you have 190s. I guess, what I would recommend is if you go with 190s, then get at least 50% nozzles as 30% nozzles (like stock) are going to be too small.
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