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Oil cooler options vs. cost

I see two potential options:

Bullet Proof Diesel oil cooler which is very expensive
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New Ford Oil Cooler plus a coolant filter

My thought is that if I can get the coolant to stay clean, the Ford's crappy oil cooler design won't get gummed up, or at least not as quickly. Any experience/advice?

Maybe if I go with option two, I may even install the coolant filter and run for a few months before swapping out the oil cooler so it doesn't get dirty right way.

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Great plan I've spent $1490.00 to date on 3 coolers, 1 Coolant filter System and 3 filters following this plan. Oh and my delta today is 9 deg.

Maybe just maybe i got enough crap out of the system that i just need 1 more oil cooler............

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Several people have had that same plan.....has worked ok for some and failed miserably for others.
But the bpd oil cooler hasnt failed, it proves its self time and time again.

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When mine went bad it was the first one I myself had to swap on the truck and I plan on keeping this truck for a long time. Either till it does or when repairing it is not worth it anymore. I went with BPD external oil cooler and never looked back. I would do it again in a heartbeat.

I gotta help my buddy replace his this weekend. Tried to talk him in to going BPD as well. But that's out of his budget right now. Wonder how long this oil cooler will last for him

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I see two potential options:

Bullet Proof Diesel oil cooler which is very expensive
or
New Ford Oil Cooler plus a coolant filter

My thought is that if I can get the coolant to stay clean, the Ford's crappy oil cooler design won't get gummed up, or at least not as quickly. Any experience/advice?

Maybe if I go with option two, I may even install the coolant filter and run for a few months before swapping out the oil cooler so it doesn't get dirty right way.
Is your oil cooler clogged?

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I see two potential options:

Bullet Proof Diesel oil cooler which is very expensive
or
New Ford Oil Cooler plus a coolant filter

My thought is that if I can get the coolant to stay clean, the Ford's crappy oil cooler design won't get gummed up, or at least not as quickly. Any experience/advice?

Maybe if I go with option two, I may even install the coolant filter and run for a few months before swapping out the oil cooler so it doesn't get dirty right way.
Most affordable option is to wait to the stage where you need to replace the oil cooler (Deltas in that 14-15* range), and do the job one time with as much efficiency as possible.

-Drain Ford Gold
-Install bypass Coolant Filter
-Run the Restore Plus treatment
-Run the Restore treatment
-Run Distilled Water treatment 5-7 times
-Drain the Oil
-Tear down the truck
-Replace the Oil Cooler
-Solve your EGR Cooler
-Solve your MY issues, if any remain
-Clean the interior of your Intake Manifold
-Put everything back together with fresh filters all around (Coolant, Oil, and Fuel)
-Refill Oil of choice
-Refill Coolant with a quality silicate-free ELC
-Enjoy the truck until those deltas tell you to do so again.

Some owners have great success with the stock oil cooler, I'm at 93K and only needed one cooler replacement to date. Job takes a long time to do correctly, and most shops simply don't understand the 6.0L enough to do it right.

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Several people have had that same plan.....has worked ok for some and failed miserably for others.
But the bpd oil cooler hasnt failed, it proves its self time and time again.
Failures. . . no, but the BPD external cooler, even if you use the newer HD coolers, isn't the 100% solution for every 6.0L out there. In particular, the lower geared trucks, and those that tow heavy. (Check build thread in sig for more details here.)

I really like the newer HD Coolers, and the stock oil filter option. Both will work for a lot of owners, and the build of the parts is second to none. This isn't a shot at BPD, but everyone needs to understand the trade off between the stock oil cooler, and any air-to-oil cooler.
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To the OP, I can't say enough good about the BPD system. Once you do the oil cooler replacement you'll know why I don't want to do it multiple times. You are weighing the correct decision factors though. Either way I agree a good idea is to add the coolant filter first and let it filter. If you don't have ELC now would be a great time to swap, then let the filter work as long as you can stand, then do the cooler.

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Failures. . . no, but the BPD external cooler, even if you use the newer HD coolers, isn't the 100% solution for every 6.0L out there. In particular, the lower geared trucks, and those that tow heavy. (Check build thread in sig for more details here.)

I really like the newer HD Coolers, and the stock oil filter option. Both will work for a lot of owners, and the build of the parts is second to none. This isn't a shot at BPD, but everyone needs to understand the trade off between the stock oil cooler, and any air-to-oil cooler.
Colo - just to be clear, I know I have posted a lot of data in the past, can be tough to summarize. With my truck on 4.56/37s I've overheated the OEM cooler and the BPD cooler. This was with the BPD standard cooler, it heated less with nearly identical runs, and as an added bonus it didn't take water temps with it. I've posted this before but I firmly believe that towing a "legal" trailer, you cannot overheat the BPD standard cooler, and right at the legal limit you can overheat the OEM cooler. This is on a lifted truck though - more drag more resistance. With stock tires you probably can't overheat either.

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what I plan on doing is waiting until I have a 12-14* delta then doing a coolant flush with restore and restore flush and switch over to Cat EC-1 and then running the truck for a few days until my coolant filter and oil cooler can capture all of the debris (is it bad when I consider my oil cooler as an additional filter lol ) floating around in the system then doing the teardown and oil cooler replacement. After that gets done I would either do another complete flush or would just refill with 50/50 EC-1.


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Colo - just to be clear, I know I have posted a lot of data in the past, can be tough to summarize. With my truck on 4.56/37s I've overheated the OEM cooler and the BPD cooler. This was with the BPD standard cooler, it heated less with nearly identical runs, and as an added bonus it didn't take water temps with it. I've posted this before but I firmly believe that towing a "legal" trailer, you cannot overheat the BPD standard cooler, and right at the legal limit you can overheat the OEM cooler. This is on a lifted truck though - more drag more resistance. With stock tires you probably can't overheat either.
Correct me if I am mistaken, but the gear reduction of 4.56 with 37's is still a lower combined gear ratio than the stock setup.

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