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Green Anti-freeze in my 6.0L

A couple of seasons ago I brought a 2004 CCSB up from Arizona. My friend mentioned to me that anti freeze is important to the longevity of these motors. So I took it down within a month to get new coolant installed.
Now, fast forward to this week. I have it in at a shop to get the EGR deleted and a new oil cooler put in, (no need, just preventitive maintenance). He started the job yesterday and phoned me that there is green anti freeze in it and that is a no no. He said he is going to do a flush and put in the correct blend. Should I phone up the shop who did this and mention it to them?

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The key thing is just maintaining what is in there, and never mixing different coolants together, unless you know for 100% certainty that they are compatible. I know a lot of guys on here like to run the ELC type coolants, like the offerings from Rotella and CAT, and those would be good options. At this point, not knowing the service history of the truck, I would recommend a flush regardless, though I would flush it BEFORE the new oil cooler, it seems like that's a good way to clog one up. Add a coolant filter to it at this time too. Then put in the coolant of your choice. I went with Ford Gold again myself, just to prove a point. Whatever goes in, just maintain it and put a coolant filter on there. My $.02





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The key thing is just maintaining what is in there, and never mixing different coolants together, unless you know for 100% certainty that they are compatible. I know a lot of guys on here like to run the ELC type coolants, like the offerings from Rotella and CAT, and those would be good options. At this point, not knowing the service history of the truck, I would recommend a flush regardless, though I would flush it BEFORE the new oil cooler, it seems like that's a good way to clog one up. Add a coolant filter to it at this time too. Then put in the coolant of your choice. I went with Ford Gold again myself, just to prove a point. Whatever goes in, just maintain it and put a coolant filter on there. My $.02
Good points. It got a coolant filter a few thousand miles ago and I think he is doing a flush before the new oil cooler goes in.

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The green coolant should NOT be in these motors, I had that stuff in my motor and I removed it and put ELC in.



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Isn't the green antifreeze supposedly bad for cavitation in these engines?

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The green coolant is not the best choice for a diesel. It can be run but you must constantly check the PH balance and additive levels and add SCA's/DCA's as necessary. A real PITA considering you can put a proper ELC in it and it is pretty maintenance free for years.
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Isn't the green antifreeze supposedly bad for cavitation in these engines?
It has nothing in it to help prevent cavitation. You can run it if you want but eventually it will come back to bite you. When it does it will be to the tune of a whole new engine.

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Wasn't that the point of running Ford gold... for cavitation purposes?

I know you guys are all huge ELC fans, and I don't want to take away from ELC in any way, but I think people have this big misconception that once they put ELC in they don't ever have to do any cooling system maintenance. I just don't buy it. Not to mention I haven't seen a single ELC that meets Ford requirements for cooling system. Again, nothing against it. I know many use it without issue, but just some other htings to think about.





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Wasn't that the point of running Ford gold... for cavitation purposes?

I know you guys are all huge ELC fans, and I don't want to take away from ELC in any way, but I think people have this big misconception that once they put ELC in they don't ever have to do any cooling system maintenance. I just don't buy it. Not to mention I haven't seen a single ELC that meets Ford requirements for cooling system. Again, nothing against it. I know many use it without issue, but just some other htings to think about.
You do know that international/navistar recommends their Fleetrite ELC coolant for the 6.0 PSD right? Ford is the one that come up with the gold coolant so that they could make money off of it, against international's recommendations. Also the international versions of the 6.0 that do run the Fleetrite ELC almost never have oil cooler problems.

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Wasn't that the point of running Ford gold... for cavitation purposes?

I know you guys are all huge ELC fans, and I don't want to take away from ELC in any way, but I think people have this big misconception that once they put ELC in they don't ever have to do any cooling system maintenance. I just don't buy it. Not to mention I haven't seen a single ELC that meets Ford requirements for cooling system. Again, nothing against it. I know many use it without issue, but just some other htings to think about.
I am an ELC fan because it was engineered to run in our diesels and is simply a better choice than the G-05 Ford decided to use. Let me flip your statement around to the inverse which is Ford's cooling system requirements don't meet International/Navistar requirements and they designed and built the engines. Ford spec's the G-05 purely because it allowed them to standardize coolant across model lines therefore savings pennies on their bottom line. It was a bean counter decision made without any technical merit, and is simply the wrong coolant for our engines. Can you get away with it? Yes, if you want to do the increased maintenance. My question is when we all go about improving our trucks and trying to make them as reliable as possible why would you knowingly decide to use an inferior coolant?
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