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question on lowering heavy tow egt's and ported intake

I tow heavy with my truck usually 16-22k, looking into lowering my egts as much as possible before resorting to water injection.

I've searched about these intake manifolds but most ppl are talking hp, which is a great plus, but will egt drop from more air flow especially to rear cylinders?

Any tow tune suggestions? Currently using vivían tow tune which helped drop egt about 100deg now avg 1100-1250 up steep grades at 25-30 boost with powermax

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I do not tow heavy, but for my truck a ported intake helped to drop my temps 150 degrees. If it was my truck I would throw a Spearco intercooler, No limit intake elbow, and ported intake from Diesel Dr. at it and see what you got. You might be able to turn up the fuel a little after the mods.
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I would do a ported intake manifold WAY before I did an intercooler. They're cheaper and actually offer more performance (i.e. power, EGT drop, higher fuel economy, etc).

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Everything I've read, there is a greater cost to airflow gain with a ported manifold (when compared to an IC). The question is how much of the original emissions control equipment you want to maintain. Most of the shops porting out mainfolds take all emissions gear off them (hard to pass a visual that way, let alone a full emissions).

I'd like to recommend one to you, however, all the companies I've ask remove the EGR cooler and valve.
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Ben, I'm not sure where/who you've been asking about ported intake manifolds, but I know Diesel Dr and myself can build them with the EGR portion still in place and they do not cost anywhere near what an aftermarket intercooler costs. I know a ported intake manifold from them with the EGR stuff still in place goes for $500. I don't even think a POS Mishimoto IC can be had for that price. Even the one with the EGR portion removed only costs $700 from them. Now I will admit that the gogo, apex, and (I believe) Elite manifolds are all as you mentioned.

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I would do a ported intake manifold WAY before I did an intercooler. They're cheaper and actually offer more performance (i.e. power, EGT drop, higher fuel economy, etc).
I agree however, I think the combination of parts will allow him to add a bit more fuel to it, pick up a little power, and keep his EGT's in check.

I guess I should have asked about budget. But yes, if you were to do only one mod I would do the ported intake manifold hands down before all the other mods.
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does 1250 make you nervous? I pull a 17k lb 5th that is 13'4" and will hold 1375 as long as required. there are 3 of us running these temps. no burn downs yet. I would love to see 1250 as a max but then would add more fuel and be back to 1350. My water meth doesnt help much with temps. I am porting my own manifold to see if that helps this season.

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I added a gogo intake and Banks Intercooler at the same time to lower temps not increase power. Adding those two mods at same time netted 150 degree drop in EGT across the board. Don't know the breakdown of how much each contributed, I installed them both at same time. On stock sticks after adding those parts I could not get my EGT to break 1150, ever. Same tunes before hit 1300. Now I've added bigger injectors which have up'd my EGTs. They are new and I have not towed yet, but I know EGTs will once again become an important part of my monitoring.

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Thanks guys for all the info to look into, definitely will be doing the ported intake after all the personal feedback I just read and look into an intercooler/no limit elbows soon as well. Possibly additional electric fans for hot days to aide in lower ECT/EOT temps, right now on 70deg can hit 225ECT uphills.

bondajb it doesnt make me nervous, if you didnt notice this isnt my drive around town or vacation hauler type of truck, I have 2 light duty fords with 3/4car trailers and one 7car freightliner with red-top 525HP N14L cummins that all play there part in keeping my business rolling and 4 employees paid.

So I expect all my equipment to last as long as it can with very minimal downtime, even a single day of downtime can cost me thousands out of my pocket. Especially this green '04 I just got on the road 6-7mths ago with 160k which today already broke 215,000miles it averages 3-4 trips a week at 1500+miles and 12-18hr days running.

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I put a amsoil dual filter bypass and the largest filters they offer.. 2qts each, with that much capacity it acts like a second oil cooler..

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