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Old 04-05-2013, 07:53 PM
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Stage 1 with NEW billet wheel installed

Well I got my Stage 1 in Wed of last week. Which worked out perfectly because the UPS man had to make several trips to my garage that day because my 4" MBRP exhaust and 6" tip showed up at the same time. WhooHoo

I called my buddy to see when his 6.0 man could work me in for the install. Well he couldn't get to me until this past Monday. Which was fine because it still gave me time to mount my IPR high flow coolant filter housing. I figured what the hell, he's gonna have the turbo off, I'll let him install the coolant manifold since he was gonna be right there. I also had him do an EGR delete (welded ends) while he was at it too.

Dropped it off Monday afternoon but didn't get it back until yesterday (Thurs) morn.

I mentioned in another thread that the guy had been telling me the last couple of months that I needed to get an Aurora turbo. He kept talking about one they installed back in Jan and how much power that thing made. After he test drove my truck all he could talk about then was how much power mine (Adrian's) had. LMAO

I know, get to the point right.

My first drive I could tell it had a lot more low end torque. It also had more upper end power but not a set ya back in the seat kind of power but definitely more power than before.

I did notice on the way home that my Insight was only showing a max boost of 22psi. Before it was showing 27psi with the stock turbo. I will say the 22 psi felt stronger than the 27 psi tho.

I wasn't sure if was a computer learning curve thing or the tune. The tune I had in it was a street tune that was made for my stock turbo that has been in the truck for years.

So I emailed Vivian and asked her (she is who I got my SCT and tunes from) if I needed a new tune or should I just drive a while and see if the computer will relearn it after a while.

Well she asked what other changes I had made to my truck since the last time. I emailed her back the changes and she had me 4 new MTW tunes this morning. So I got the MTW street tune loaded up and ready for the drive home from work tonight.


OMG, this sum***** will scoot now. For some reason it still will only show a max boost of 23 psi. The EGT's were good at 1225. Now if this is what 23 psi with this wheel does, I don't need 30 psi. (I actually think it has to be a sensor reading error). It's never had the "sit yo *** back in the seat, get up and go" that it does now even when my stock turbo used to read 32psi. One little stretch of road, as soon as get onto a 4 lane where the speed goes to 65, I got into a little (not really even WOT) and I went from 30mph to 80mph in a short order.

And the awesome sound from the new exhaust just adds to the smile on my face.

And that damn "tink tink tink" sound on shut down from, what sounded like to me, the vanes in the (3rd rebuilt Ford) turbo hitting the shroud are GONE.

Adrian you are the man!!!!

I can't figure out the PSI thing (maybe the MAP hose is loose or something) plus my VGT's at idle only go up to 64 now (before it was 75-80) but honestly I really don't care because my seat of the pants like it A LOT.

And for the ones who are curious, from the previous bad threads on the stage 1.....absolutely no compressor stalls with this wheel for me.

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Old 04-05-2013, 08:30 PM
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Ricky,

Thanks for the write up of your experience. I got my Stage 1 (cast wheel) installed, and had same experience with lower boost numbers, but much more "seat of the pants" power.

I max out at 24 psi, and after talking with Matt from MTW today, I am going to check for boost leak by wrapping the boots with tin foil, as well as trying to determine whether the EGR valve could be getting forced open by "seeing" more boost through the new EGR cooler.

Apparently, there is a common factor in that a number of MTW users who also run BPD EGR coolers, but did not mechanically block the passages, have reported low boost. Not saying that the BPD cooler is the cause, but it is a theory that needs to be explored.

I have low boost on the stock tune, the SCT canned tunes, and Tony's Extreme, all of which max out at 24 psi, so it's unlikely that it's caused by the tune in my case. I was able to get 32 psi with stock turbo and engine before studs, EGR, and oil cooler were done.

I am very happy with the truck's performance overall, but the low number just makes me wonder whether I am getting full potential from it. If nothing mechanical is wrong, then I will be perfectly happy with it. I just want to eliminate the possibility that something is not right and that I could see more boost (and theoretically, more power).

Good for you on getting yourself a MTW. I wish I had opted for the billet wheel after reading the impressions on the board, but I ordered my turbo before those wheels were going out and tested. Oh well, maybe I will get one one day.
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Ricky,
Apparently, there is a common factor in that a number of MTW users who also run BPD EGR coolers, but did not mechanically block the passages, have reported low boost. Not saying that the BPD cooler is the cause, but it is a theory that needs to be explored.

I am very happy with the truck's performance overall, but the low number just makes me wonder whether I am getting full potential from it. If nothing mechanical is wrong, then I will be perfectly happy with it. I just want to eliminate the possibility that something is not right and that I could see more boost (and theoretically, more power).
That's me, I'm happy with the power I'm getting but just wanna make sure something didn't get left loose during the install that would be causing the low boost #. It sure doesn't feel like it tho.

I did have my egr cooler welded shut at the same time. Not sure if this has anything to do with it or not.

The only thing that has me a little worried is now my deltas are running 7-10 where as before they were 2-5. Not sure of the EGR delete caused some of this or the new IPR coolant filter w/manifold, which was also installed at the same time is to blame. Maybe the coolant filter needs cleaning but it's only been on there for about 100 miles so far

I wonder if maybe I got a bad Edge Insight because

1. Sometimes, right after I turn the key on, the insight starts to turn on, then I'll hear it beep then it kicks offline. I have to unplug it from the OBDII port and plug it back in and it'll start working again.

2. My tranny temp on it is about 10-15 degrees higher than the other tranny gauge I have. It shows around 155 to 140 on the old.

3. My coolant temps seem to be lower, again, than before. When I first started using the Insight they stayed around 180-185 so I change the thermostat about a month ago. After that my deltas we were running 190 ect and 194 eot. Now they're at 186-188 ect and 196 +/-. At WOT they do get a little closer tho, mainly because the ECT rises to close the gap.


I did get another test ride done this morning on the way to work. Yep she's still doing great.

I also wanted to add about my turbo cool down times. Before it took at least a minute or more for the EGTs to get below 350. Now, by the time I get my phone unplugged, cigarettes in my pocket, etc, the egts are already below 350. The first time i went to shut it off after the install I was taking my time because that's what I was used to doing. By the time I looked up (about 45 sec to a min) the EGTs were down to 315. That thing must be sucking in some air.

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Your EGR cooler being welded is probably a good thing, and I would have preferred mine that way, but there are too many Eco-nazis in this socialist state where I am who believe emissions controls will save the world. At least in your case it's one less thing to have to consider as a reason for low boost #s.

Your deltas sound similar to mine. If i'm easy on it, just cruising, my deltas are 4-6 F. If I push it hard, they climb as high as 11, then peak just after I let off the throttle, then go down within a couple of minutes. I did my own coolant filter, but I think it would have little effect since it is more of a bypass system and not directly in the path of cooling flow. I was told by the shop to wait on changing my coolant filter until my next oil change, since the engine work (heads off, machined, intake hot tanked, new oil cooler) could dislodge particles that would then be floating around for a while. I check it by hand and it warms up at the same rate as the engine, so it's still flowing good (not plugged up). I would be really surprised if yours would plug in 100 miles, but check it for temps.

I had the same thing with my thermostat. It was 180 when I got my Edge, so put a new one is. Then stayed at 192 for a while, now my usual low is 188. I don't monitor my trans temps, so no clue there.

I did have a bad Edge CTS. It's screen went all twilight zone within a week after getting it, so took it back to the store for exchange. Mine does sometimes act strange on power up and down, but only rarely do I have to unplug it. That usually happens when I switch the key on and off quickly and confuse the Edge in the middle of its power cycle. Then it can get stuck (usually stuck on) so that I have to unplug it.

Good to have your experiences for comparison, thanks!

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I wouldn't get wrapped around the axle over the boost issue, as it's not much of an issue. You're moving more air more efficiently. That's a good thing.
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We have a stage 1 with cast wheel installed on our work 6.0 with Vivian's tunes and don't see as high of boost that we had with the stock turbo, but the power is definitely much stronger. I agree with Shack about not being too worried about the lower boost numbers.
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Your deltas sound similar to mine. If i'm easy on it, just cruising, my deltas are 4-6 F. If I push it hard, they climb as high as 11, then peak just after I let off the throttle, then go down within a couple of minutes.
The bigger spread in deltas I listed were taken at a 65-70 steady speed. When getting on it they actually got closer to 5 but then after let off the ECT would go back down and the spread would come back. The only reason I mentioned it was because they were 2-5 (same road, same speed) before I had the coolant filter installed and the EGR deleted. I'm just gonna watch it for a few days. I've been wanting to distill water flush my system anyways.



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I wouldn't get wrapped around the axle over the boost issue, as it's not much of an issue. You're moving more air more efficiently. That's a good thing.

With the power I feel she has now I'm not too concerned with it. It could read 5psi, as long as she's laying it down like she is I wouldn't care.
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My DP tow tune boosts to 32, my DP performance boosts to 36-37. Might give Jody at DP try if you want to bump up your numbers. It's great if your truck makes mor power now with less boost than before, but it ain't as much as you will make once you get the boost up.
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Overall my impression of the MTW S1 is similiar to uhpilot. Slight gains on top, huge torque gains on the bottom. No surge and eliminates the "fart" or whatever you call it the stock turbo did on let off. Turbo is sweet!
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