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H&S vs Custom Tunes with MTW

So my buddy's 2003 dully is studded and all that jazz with a 5" exhaust and the MTW Stage 1 with billet wheel
Stock injectors until his wear out

How much (if any) is he leaving on the table by running the H&S over custom tunes? He got the Minimax because he likes shift on the fly

I'm trying to tell him there is value in selling the H&S, getting tunes and an insight. Back me up please

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If the mini is anything like the other programmers, he'll like it until the day he trashes the transmission if its an auto. But, h&s may have a tranny file that is dual purpose and not trash the tranny, who knows.

As far as power, there may be 10-50 horsepower on the table left to be seen. Some trucks will reach peak power with a canned tune while others are nowhere near it.

One other suggestion would be to talk with Matt from gearhead about mcc tuning, if its available for the 6.0. I wouldn't hold my breath on that suggestion though.

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So custom tunes don't bring out much more even with the MTW eh?

I guess he might be better off keeping the H&S since it has some monitoring anyways.
Are the canned tunes that hard on the tranny? I thought the 6.0 tranny was way tougher than the ol 7.3 tranny?

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Can he not custom tune the h&s? I was under the impression they can be tuned

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I'm pretty sure no one does 6.0 tunes for the Minimax
Oh well, by the sounds of it, it's not a big deal :dunno

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Since the Stage 1 usually doesn't require custom tuning from a stock turbo, your buddy is probably fine. However, if he goes with a larger charger and/or injectors later on, he'll want to get a SCT with custom tunes.

As much as I don't like the other tuners out there from SCT, I don't think there's much performance left on the table. However, that doesn't mean that the truck is tuned optimally with the H&S either. I could've sworn somebody wrote custom tunes for the H&S but I don't remember.

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H&S doesn't tune the tranny for the 6.0 it relies on the adaptive relearn for the extra power.

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I would think h&s would know better. Of course, they have bigger fish in the sea right now to fry. If that's the case, then for the sake of a tranny, get a livewire ts with someone's tune package.

The only way I know of they can be tuned is using mcc.

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""Thank you for your inquiry with H & S regarding the 6.0L Ford. When you install the tuning on your 6.0, we only write the ECM on the truck. In our ECM tuning, it makes it seem like we have put trans tunes in the coding, but we have not. We do have some trans files for the 6.4's and the 6.7's, but the 6.0L is a completely different beast. So, when running a tune in your 6.0, it may seem like it shifts differently and that it has changed some of the parameters of the TCM, but that is because those transmissions have adaptive memory and will adapt to the driving style of the driver. So when adding horsepower and changing some calibrations on the ECM, then the TCM responds to those changes, but no coding has been written on the TCM for that truck.
***** I hope that helps with your inquiry and that I've answered your question adequately. If you have any other questions, please let me know and I'd be happy to help in any way that I can. Have a great day!

Best Regards,"
This is a email from H&S that I got from them when I was trying to get one of my buddies to get an SCT.

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Thanks guys. I thought this thread would take a different course.
I'll let him know and he can decide what to do.

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Lots of money spent at RiffRaff
Holley fuel pump, in tank mods, crappy riding leveling kit, DP-F6, 5 Gauges+Edge CS in dash, CB radio in Dash, over 100 goofy little mods
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