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post #1 of 22 Old 10-30-2011, 10:17 PM Thread Starter
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To reflash or not to reflash, that is the question

Bought a used truck. Apparently it had a tuner on it but I didn't know this. Tuner was taken off prior to my purchase of the truck.

I bought a tuner. I went to load a canned tune and got the error message about a non-stock condition. I followed the instructions about updating the unit (Edge Evolution/PHP Gryphon) and plugged it back in. No difference.

Shot an email to Edge tech services, the reply:

"There are a couple ways to handle this type of situation. If you go to a dealer and get the truck reflashed, you should be able to install the kit without issues. You could also use the device and our Fusion software online to force the truck back to stock. The tough part about that 2nd option is that if the product that programmed your vehicle previously modifies more than we do, you could disable your vehicle. The safest option is to get it reflashed but it is up to you."

My question to the group at large is what are the pro's and cons with respect to doing this. Whatever strategy currently on the truck seems reasonable (I don't know what it actually is though) but I haven't heard any flattering reviews on some of the later ones.

I want get the tuner on the truck without taking a step back in baseline performance. Any recommendations?

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Call/email PHP and get it flashed back to a good version so you have a good base file.

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I will be... Posted on their forum but the shop isn't open over the weekend either.

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what is a good version i just made a appt for mine to get reflashed

arp studs and all new gasgets
blue spring.... its really blue
full egr delete
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next on the list
new injector$ $$$$$
regulated fuel return
ficm & ecm to php along with my evo to be flashed
and half in my 401k lol
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guess i shoulda said i made it at a ford dealer and can they flash it to any version??

arp studs and all new gasgets
blue spring.... its really blue
full egr delete
Bts tranny
coolant bypass and fillters
rotella red elc
cummings 5.9l banjo bolts
4 inch turbo back
Custom tunes by spe
2.7 leveling kit



next on the list
new injector$ $$$$$
regulated fuel return
ficm & ecm to php along with my evo to be flashed
and half in my 401k lol
still have my 401k all of it
SYLSOS

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they can but they wont. I highly suggest you look into PHP tuning as they can flash your ecm and ficm with older better strategies. The new ford strategies kill performance and mileage.
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On another forum someone got the new flash and then tried to tune it with a SCT and it killed it. Seems Ford has lowered the "shut it down" codes and the older tunes make it quit.

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Billeg thats not entirely true. I ran the old tunes with the new flash for over a year.

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I always update the PCM programming to the latest released flash before I install tuners. Normally their the SCT SF3 tuners. I know a lot of people say some of the older programming is better but I've never ran into issues. I've got plenty of customers getting 18 MPG out there.

If you go to Ford they are just going to program it to the latest flash. I do reprogramming thru Fords website and there is no option or way to "backdate" the programming. If you do have it reflashed you will probably have to get them to reprogram it as a blank module.

On another note, I would send that Edge back and get an SCT tuner with either canned or custom tunes......
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I think the issue is someone has not returned the truck to stock. The best and safest way to fix this issue, and in my opinion is to take it to Ford spend the 150 and have it flashed back to stock. They will flash the new strategies but you will be 100% sure the truck is ok. Then get with PHP and have the units rolled back.


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