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Bad Head Gaskets, Heads, or EGR Cooler???
Any thoughts on my situation? It's an 05' 6.0 if that matters.
So I did the pressure test by t-ing into the degas and running a line with a gauge to the cab a while back with my engine at normal operating temp and put it under load up a nice steep hill at wot. I didn't see any fluctuation or sudden spikes but I keep finding dried coolant residue that is obviously coming from the coolant cap. I did the test right after I replaced the cap with the updated one and I thought all was well, but the residue keeps reappearing randomly. I've never had any evident problems with coolant in my exhaust or obvious steam from under the hood.
So how long should I hold it at WOT, while watching for sudden movement in my 15psi gauge, to ensure all is good with my gaskets? Could it be the EGR Cooler? What else might it be?
I'm getting ready to do a coolant flush, egr delete, new oil cooler, head studs, turbo unison ring, and all other updates so I want to decide if I have to do gaskets or not at the same time.
Last edited by 03RaptorCV; 02-07-2013 at 05:11 PM.
Here is my Oasis report. Sounds like I am an idiot since I am the last customer on the report that had the FICM replaced and should have had Ford look more into stuff when I first bought the truck and it was still under warranty. Thought maybe this would help diagnose my problem. Ford replaced the head gaskets, oil cooler, and egr cooler all around 65,000 miles, but they obviously didn't do something right with all of their repairs. Is there anyway I can hold Ford liable for not doing the job right the first time? The evidence is pretty obvious. Wondering if it is because they didn't machine the heads? I'm at 105,000 miles now and the only issue seems to be the pressurizing of the degas bottle. Should I do the complete flush and replace the oil cooler? Do I need to pull the heads? What do you guys recommend and thanks a bunch!
Detailed Vehicle Specification
Vehicle Line T/F7 Market Derived Code F
Body Cab T/BC Ver. Series T/BD
Drive Type T/E
PLT CD A1 TRS CD T/BE ENG CD T/YB
Production Date 22-JUL-04 Warranty Start Date 26-APR-05
Selling Dealer 174200 Selling Country USA
AWS Claim Key Time In Service Labor Hours Dealership DIST (Miles) Repair Date Prefix Base Suffix Doc
Details 1047897 2 1.8 EMPIRE FORD, INC. 7175 27-MAY-05 5C3Z 9942528 DA 222100A
Customer Comments CUST STATES THAT MATERIAL ON ALL F 250 EMBLEMS ARE DISCOLORED ADVISE
Tech Comments VERIFIED CONCERN REPLACED ALL THREE F 250 EMBLEMS
Details 1496571 4 1.1 EMPIRE FORD, INC. 11817 02-AUG-05 * MAINT * 225065A
Customer Comments PERFORM 10,000 MILE SERVICE PER SCHEDULE LOF AND ROTATE
Tech Comments PERFORMED 10,000 MILE SERVICE LOF AND ROTATED TIRES
Details 3317661 10 .3 LITHIA FORD LINCOLN OF BOISE 25996 25-JAN-06 * * * 300765F
Customer Comments ADD ON 59B01 TEST DRIVE
Tech Comments 25999 59B01 WARR TEST DRIVE
Details 3317659 10 1 LITHIA FORD LINCOLN OF BOISE 25996 25-JAN-06 * * * 300765D
Customer Comments ADD ON 05E15 EBP SENSOR RECALIBRATION
Tech Comments 25996 RECALL 05E15 WARR PERFORM RECALL, REPLACE EBP AND REPROGRAM PCM, FICM, AND TCM
Details 3317660 10 .2 LITHIA FORD LINCOLN OF BOISE 25996 25-JAN-06 * * * 300765E
Customer Comments ADD ON 05B32 DE GAS LABEL
Tech Comments 25996 RECALL 05B32 WARR PERFORM RECALL, INSTALL LABLE
Details 3317658 10 2.8 LITHIA FORD LINCOLN OF BOISE 25996 25-JAN-06 5C3Z 6F089 A 300765B
Customer Comments C S POOR MPG
Tech Comments 25999 POOR MPG WARR PERFORM PERFORMANCE SHEET AND GOT CODE P0299 TURBO CHARGER SYSTEM PERF. PERFORM PINPOINT TEST FOR CODE AND DIAG THAT THE VGT SENSOR IS FAULTY, REPLACE VGT AND TEST DRIVE TRUCK
Details 3608097 10 0 LITHIA FORD LINCOLN OF BOISE 26835 15-FEB-06 6C3Z 28422B30 AA 302720A
Customer Comments SOP C S THE REAR SLIDER IS HARD TO OPEN BINDS
Tech Comments 26835 N C INSPECTED SLIDER FOUND BINDING OSL REPLACED REAR SLIDER ASSY OSL
Details 3792241 11 1.5 LITHIA FORD LINCOLN OF BOISE 27315 28-FEB-06 6C3Z 19980 AA 304062A
Customer Comments SOP C S AT TIMES THE TEMP CONTROLL WILL NOT OPERATE
Tech Comments 27315 AT TIME TEMP CONTROL WILL QUIT WARR EEC TEST ATC UNIT AND GOT NO CODES. TEMP CONTROL QUIT, REMOVE DASH PANEL AND CHECK TEMP CONTROL UNIT FOR POWER AND GROUNDS, OK. REPLACE TEMP CONTROL
Details 9024130 32 4.9 LITHIA FORD LINCOLN OF BOISE 55396 23-NOV-07 3C3Z 9433 BE 370993A
Customer Comments CUSTOMER STATES LEAKING ANTI FREEZE OR SIMILAR BEHIND RF WHEEL AREA
Tech Comments 55401 EGR COOLER TUBE 000 PRESSURE TEST COOLANT SYSTEM AND FOUND COOLANT LEAKING FROM EGR COOLER TUBE. DRAIN COOLANT SYSTEM. REMOVE UPPER RAD HOSE, REMOVE FAN AND SHROAD, REMOVE TURBO, AND REMOVE INTAKE MANIFOLD. REPLACE EGR COOLER TUBE. INSTALL INTAKE WITH NEW GASKETS AND INSTALL THE REST OF THE ENGINE BACK TOGETHER. PRESSURE TEST COOLANT SYSTEM, NO LEAKS. TEST DRIVE TRUCK
Details 9923406 38 9.1 LITHIA FORD LINCOLN OF BOISE 64569 05-JUN-08 * 6051 * 390245A
Customer Comments CUSTOMER STATES THE VEHICLE LACKED POWER HJAD TO ADD TWO GALLONS OF COOLANT BLOWS WHITE SMOKE
Tech Comments 64579 EGR COOLER, OIL COOLER 0 PERFORMED TSB 08 11 03 OP CODE 081103A AND 081103B. TESTED CLUTCH FAN. REFLASHED PCM. VACUUM TESTED COOLANT SYSTEM AND IT FAILED. REMOVED THE EGR COOLER AND PUT BLOCK OFF PLATES ON IT AND 30 PSI TO COOLER AND SUBMERGED IT IN WATER AND SAW BUBLLES COMING FROM THE EGR COOLER. REPLACED THE EGR COOLER. TESTED THE OIL COOLER WITH THE RADKITPLUSA AND THE GAUGE
Details 10120512 39 17.2 LITHIA FORD LINCOLN OF BOISE 65040 26-JUN-08 * 6051 * 392405A
Customer Comments CUSTOMER STATES THAT UNDER A LOAD THE VEHICLE OVERHEATS BLOWS COOLANT FROM RES.
Tech Comments 65092 HEAD GASKETS 0 PERFORMED TSB 08 11 3. OP CODES 081103A, 081103C, 081103E. TEST DROVE WITH COOLING SYSTEM PRESSURE TESTER IN LINE WITH DEGAS BOTTLE AND FOUND THE PRESSURE AT 18 PSI. CONTACTED HOTLINE AND WAS TOLD TO REPLACED THE COOLANT CAP AND BOTTLE. REPLACED BOTH AND TEST DROVE AGAIN AND FOUND THE PRESSURE TO BE THE SAME WITH THE COOLANT FAN AT 100 RPM LESS THEN ENGINE
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Customer Comments ENGINE CRANKS, WILL NOT START
Tech Comments TEST EEC SYSTEM & DIAGNOSE; FOUND FUEL INJECTION CONTROL MODULE SHORTED, FUSE BLOWN REPLACED FUEL INJECTION CONTROL MODULE. TOWING CHARGES FOR 70 MILES AND WE ARE THE NEARESTSERVICING FORD DEALER
Last edited by 03RaptorCV; 02-06-2013 at 10:37 PM.
Do you have gauges?
Is the truck tuned???
Have you looked at oil cooler temps?if your oil cooler is plugged up it can take out the egr cooler. The 2003 model is very robust but it can still burst and the 03 flash may not go into defueling when the oil cooler temps are above the 15 degree mark for a extended period. It can overheat from it and the 2003 has the smallest waterpump for the 6.0 to begin with.
Where is the water level in your coolant tank? (should be at the lowest mark on tank)
Put your pressure gauge on the truck and get it up to 194* operating temps at this point you shoud see 8-10lbs. While rolling at around 20 mph go wot up to around 80 mph observe your gauge. Repeat the process several times if the pressure climbs up with your imputs to 16 lbs and is venting out of the cap you may have a hg issue.
If it slowly climbs to say 13-14 lbs and then drops again to say 8-10 lbs you are fine.
You will have a rise in pressure from thermal expansion from making heat from the WOT but it should be a slower climb and should not exeed cap pressure (as long as you have enough air in coolant tank).
How is your heater working?? if it is not putting out heat until your working the engine you have a head gasket issue. The combustion gasses are going to go to highest point in cooling system which is your heater core.
Check your coolant level and lower as necc and the cap should have the yellow and orange writing on it from Ford. Stant also makes a quality cap (NO White Sticker Cap)
Good Luck with it........
I have been running the Scangauge II and my EOT & ECT delatas have never been more than 8 to 10 degrees apart and average 6* to 7* on the flats at 65 mph. Also, I've never had issues with the heater. I am running Eric's IDP tunes for a truck with stock head bolts. It has the oem air filter, Motorcraft oil and fuel filters(changed regular since I bought it at 80,000 miles), 4" MBRP Full Exhaust.
Coolant level was adjusted to the level that Ford changed it to and it stills pushes coolant out of the cap with a brand new 16psi cap(yellow and orange). The coolant level is now at about 1" to 1.5" below Ford's current recommended minimum level. I've never noticed when it actually pukes the coolant out. Seems random, maybe during long trips.
My truck is a 2005. I'm thinking my heads must have some sort of issue since it seems it pukes coolant at random times and my pressure test didn't show any fluctuations as I put it under load, especially since Ford didn't have them machined.
I will try what you suggest with getting the temp to 194* and give it the mustard to 80mph a couple time and get back to you. I'm thinking about watching the pressure gauge for a 3 hour trip and see if I get any jumps with my engine under load. I have been running a coolant filter for about 5,000 miles and my deltas have always been ok. On average they run 6 to 7 degrees with a max of 10, which seems kind of high. Would head studs buy me anything if my hg's seem to be ok after doing a few more tests?