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Old 01-19-2013, 05:58 AM
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And the Saga continues...... thanks for forgetting the oil...

A week ago i dropped my truck off at the ford dealership for an oil change. It hasnt run right since I got it back. Anyone have any ideas of what might cause these issues?

Friday January 11, 2013
Dropped the truck off at Quick Lane. Asked for an oil change and the check engine light to be evaluated. After evaluation it was deemed the check engine light was caused by bad glow plug in Cylinder 1. Agreed to leave the truck and pick it up either later Friday night or on Saturday morning.

Received a phone call at 4:52 PM saying the truck was ready to be picked up.

Received another phone call at 5:21 PM saying the truck did not run properly and acted as if it was vapor locked. No resolution could be reached until Monday.

Monday January 14, 2013
Received a phone call at 12:57 PM saying the truck was fixed and the issue was that the oil lines to the injector lines had air in them. He explained that the injectors in that engine were run off oil pressure and air in the lines caused the truck not to run. Resolution was to charge batteries and purge air from lines.

Paid Invoice for a total of $220.08.

Drove the truck after picking it up. Seemed to lack power.

Spoke with service manager later in the afternoon. Agreed to look at the truck on Tuesday morning.

Tuesday January 15, 2013
Dropped the truck off around 8 AM. Around 9:30 AM I spoke with Jim who assured me nothing was wrong with the truck. Everything checked out fine.
Had a conversation with Jim and expressed my concern that the truck was run without oil on Friday, causing the air in the lines and I was concerned about damage that may have been caused by the truck being run without oil. He told me it was very possible that is how the truck was run without oil in it, causing the air in the injector oil lines. He also said there were fail safe features on that truck that it would die immediately if there was a lack of oil pressure.

Thursday January 17, 2013
Went to start the truck around 10:30 AM. Truck started then immediately died 2 consecutive times. On the third attempt to start it the truck ran extremely rough. After idling for 5 mins I went to drive the truck and it was still running choppy. As the engine temp climbed it ran smoother.

When it initially fired up the truck smoked like crazy

Attempted to make contact with service manager that afternoon but nobody was there due to weather.

Friday January 18, 2013
Started the truck around 1:30 PM. Engine ran extremely rough for about 5 mins. After that it ran choppy as I started to drive. Started to run smoother as the engine temp climbed.

Initially the truck smoked like crazy

Spoke with the service manager Friday afternoon. Told him the issues I was experiencing and made an appointment to drop the truck off on Monday January 21, 2013 for further evaluation.

In conversation he continued to tell me that even though the truck was run without oil in it, the fail safe system wouldn’t have allowed it to run long enough to do damage. I call bull**** on that.
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Old 01-19-2013, 06:05 AM
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the truck does monitor the LPOP for output before it will start and will die on low oil psi

I don't know what damage would occur ? but I sure as hell would be pissed
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Most likley the lube rack kid was new and only put 5-6qts in the truck to begin with. The he most likley started it to let the filter housing fill and check level. This will cause the remaining in the HPO system to be depleted and it will grab air. Then the truck will die. The LPO system gets oil first and then the HPO system is supplied. So even know it would not start the LPO system was most likley getting oil. So for the rough run issue. The oil would have to be topped off and the air pruged from the system. How much have you driven it? I would have assumed they would have bled the system for you but who knows, Do you have any codes? Our new lube rack kid did this a month ago, but it only took 30 miles of high rpm hard driving to bleed the system. Idling and normal driving will not bleed the air out. After I do any HPO repair or head work, the truck gets driven for 2 15 mile loops in 3rd gear with the rpms around 3500. This usally gets all the air out.
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Zmann I think you meant HPOP. The PCM doesn't even see the lpop gauge circuit it just runs from the sensor to the dash gauge/idiot light and reads only 7 psi.
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So far I have driven it about 100 miles and it doesn't seem to have changed. The dealer said they bled the oil lines but I don't know how or if it was just enough for it to run.
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So far I have driven it about 100 miles and it doesn't seem to have changed. The dealer said they bled the oil lines but I don't know how or if it was just enough for it to run.
2 years ago this happened to me but I was actually standing there watching when the OWNER of the Quicklube cranked the motor w/o oil in. He ended up taking to dealership and they had to replace both oil pumps on his dime. Luckily, for him,my truck was under warranty and they covered all but $350.00. I would not let it go until somebody checks the HPOP. Good luck
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2 years ago this happened to me but I was actually standing there watching when the OWNER of the Quicklube cranked the motor w/o oil in. He ended up taking to dealership and they had to replace both oil pumps on his dime. Luckily, for him,my truck was under warranty and they covered all but $350.00. I would not let it go until somebody checks the HPOP. Good luck
Did you run the truck before the pumps were changed? What types of issues did you have?
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Old 01-20-2013, 05:11 AM
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Did you run the truck before the pumps were changed? What types of issues did you have?
Truck never started. Apparently they did not know how tu purge the system They kept cranking till they wore down the batteries. I was uNsure on what to think or do so I sat there and watched until I realized that they did not know $hit about diesels. After the batts died I asked them to stop and tow to dealership and they did knowing it was about to cost them. I am not a mechanic but whatever your problems are I would think they are related to cranking the engine w/o oil IMHO.
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Re: And the Saga continues...... thanks for forgetting the oil...

The bottom line is, they are resposible for getting your truck diagnosed for running like crap if it runs differently since the oil change. If it is related to damage causes by a mistake they made, they need to fix it. Is it possibly they continued to try to start it with either? You don't necessarily purge the oil rails of air short of cranking it with oil in the sump, that sounds silly to me, likewise with the fuel rails, several cycles of the key, is about a much as you can do to get the fuel rails/lines purged prior to starting, short of removing the plugs in the back of the heads.

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The bottom line is, they are resposible for getting your truck diagnosed for running like crap if it runs differently since the oil change. If it is related to damage causes by a mistake they made, they need to fix it. Is it possibly they continued to try to start it with either? You don't necessarily purge the oil rails of air short of cranking it with oil in the sump, that sounds silly to me, likewise with the fuel rails, several cycles of the key, is about a much as you can do to get the fuel rails/lines purged prior to starting, short of removing the plugs in the back of the heads.

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Now that you mentioned ether, they did try and start with ether before I realized what they were doing and asked them to stop. Sounds like an identical situation here
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