06 No start - Ford Powerstroke Diesel Forum
User Tag List

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
post #1 of 12 Old 12-05-2011, 02:41 AM Thread Starter
Serving Our Country!
 
powerstroke23's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Norman, Ok
Posts: 153
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
06 No start

Hi, I have a 2006 6.0 160k that wont start after sitting for a few hours. It started a few days ago the truck would not start it cranks and even turns over but only runs for a second or two, I scanned for codes and had one for the crank position sensor pop up, but after clearing the codes the truck started and ran real ruff for a few minutes then everything was fine. Started it a few more times after letting it sit for a hour an everything seemed perfect. Seems to run and start fine after it warms up. Went out this morning and the same problem lots of cranking and starting for a second or two then nothing. No codes have come back, there is a little white smoke when the truck decides to turn over.

Josh
powerstroke23 is offline  
post #2 of 12 Old 12-05-2011, 03:30 AM
Member

 
LIL' MIKE's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Mississippi Guld Coast
Posts: 73
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
You answered your own question ......
my crank sensor use to only act up when it rained
Change the sensor I'm sure that's your problem
LIL' MIKE is offline  
post #3 of 12 Old 12-05-2011, 05:32 AM
Compression Ignition Addict
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Colorado Springs
Posts: 418
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Thanks: 1
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
I am not an expert in these issues, but I have seen where the crank and cam sensors codes will pop up after extended periods of cranking. That may not be your problem.

I would suspect the FICM right off, and it is very easy to check. Make sure you check it stone cold, and especially when the engine is cranking.

What type of code scanner are you using? There is a chance it may not report all of the codes stored.

MikeB

2005 F-250 6.0L, crew cab, long bed 4x4
completed in 2011: STC update, new IPR, BPD EGR cooler, oil cooler rebuild, 6.4 banjo bolts, blue spring update, SCT X3, Insight CTS, 58V FICM, CCV Mod, DIY coolant filter (now gone), refinished turbo
2012: ARP headstuds, OEM gaskets, standpipes and dummy plugs
2015: XDP coolant filter
PSDMikeB is offline  
post #4 of 12 Old 12-05-2011, 09:04 AM
Compression Ignition Addict
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Posts: 218
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Thanks: 1
Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
FICM would be a good guess but I have personally had issues on my old mans 05 6.0 where the crank sensor was bad and would start cold but not hot. I have seen plenty of cam and crank sensors go bad and cause no starts or just run rough. The sensor is cheap enough and not all that hard to replace.
justa03 is offline  
post #5 of 12 Old 12-05-2011, 09:09 AM
Mod Newbie

 
dhanna6powerstroke's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Bloomington, IN.
Posts: 13,156
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 17 Post(s)
Thanks: 6
Thanked 142 Times in 134 Posts
Feedback Score: 2 reviews
Quote:
Originally Posted by justa03 View Post
FICM would be a good guess but I have personally had issues on my old mans 05 6.0 where the crank sensor was bad and would start cold but not hot. I have seen plenty of cam and crank sensors go bad and cause no starts or just run rough. The sensor is cheap enough and not all that hard to replace.
That's exactly the opposite of what his does.

dhanna6powerstroke is offline  
post #6 of 12 Old 12-05-2011, 09:10 AM
Mod Newbie

 
dhanna6powerstroke's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Bloomington, IN.
Posts: 13,156
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 17 Post(s)
Thanks: 6
Thanked 142 Times in 134 Posts
Feedback Score: 2 reviews
Quote:
Originally Posted by PSDMikeB View Post
I am not an expert in these issues, but I have seen where the crank and cam sensors codes will pop up after extended periods of cranking. That may not be your problem.

I would suspect the FICM right off, and it is very easy to check. Make sure you check it stone cold, and especially when the engine is cranking.

What type of code scanner are you using? There is a chance it may not report all of the codes stored.

MikeB
100%. Test your FICM.

dhanna6powerstroke is offline  
post #7 of 12 Old 12-05-2011, 11:56 AM
Compression Ignition Addict
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Posts: 218
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Thanks: 1
Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
He also states that the truck does start cold but rough. Theres so many things that could cause this but depending on which CKP code he does have it could mean the diff between a FICM and CKP. Also from what ive normally seen when the trucks crank for too long it usually sets both the CKP and CMP codes. Could be either one and like I said the FICM is a good guess but I wouldnt throw out the possiblitly of it being a CKP. Also he says when the truck does decide to turnover? So sometimes the truck doesnt turn over or do you mean start?
justa03 is offline  
post #8 of 12 Old 12-05-2011, 04:38 PM Thread Starter
Serving Our Country!
 
powerstroke23's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Norman, Ok
Posts: 153
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
So i tested the FICM and it test 48v with the key on then if you crank it it drops to 20v. The battery voltage also drops to about 11v could this still be a FICM.

Josh
powerstroke23 is offline  
post #9 of 12 Old 12-05-2011, 05:00 PM
Mod Newbie

 
dhanna6powerstroke's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Bloomington, IN.
Posts: 13,156
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 17 Post(s)
Thanks: 6
Thanked 142 Times in 134 Posts
Feedback Score: 2 reviews
Quote:
Originally Posted by powerstroke23 View Post
So i tested the FICM and it test 48v with the key on then if you crank it it drops to 20v. The battery voltage also drops to about 11v could this still be a FICM.
FICM is junk.

dhanna6powerstroke is offline  
post #10 of 12 Old 12-05-2011, 05:20 PM
Powerstroke Techie

 
m-chan68's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Brampton, Ontario, Canada
Posts: 2,584
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
Thanks: 0
Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Quote:
Originally Posted by dhanna6powerstroke View Post
FICM is junk.
I AGREE!!!

http://www.yorkdaleford.com/service.html

Ford Diesel/Senior/Master Tech who placed 2nd overall in Ontario on the Fix-It-Right-First-Visit score for 2010

....who works at a dealership that now employs SOME half decent looking female employees since they overhauled most of the administrative staff

....but STILL loves hot women with big boobies

....and STILL hates working on E-Series with 6.0L
m-chan68 is offline  
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the Ford Powerstroke Diesel Forum forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in









Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.



Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode



Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome