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Died while coming to a stop, now no start

So here is the story,

First, 2005 CC SB 6.0 105K miles.

Second, Been driving around all day, no problems, running like a champ, just filled up at a station I usually trust and have filled up there MANY times in the past. Was at about 1/4 tank and filled to full.

Was driving home, about 5 miles total. Got to about a half mile from the house and was turning into the neighborhood. Stopped to let traffic by and it died. Stalled right out and would not restart. Pushed it all the way to my house and still wouldn't start.

It has been a little ruff to start in the mornings but runs like a champ when its warm. I have a very hard time believing the service station (shell) screwed up and put gas on the diesel pump (but I have been wrong before).

Ideas? Thoughts?

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Yikes...find out FOR SURE that they didn't fill 'er with gas insted of diesel. Seems a little coincidental!


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I would check your icp pressure. when a pump or ipr let go it will shut off like someone turned the key off and not restart. im betting you have a high pressure oil system issue. when it died, did it just shut off like you turned the key off, or did it chug chug then die? you need to pull some codes and check for icp pressure and take a fuel sample from the secondary fuel filter housing to make sure its 100% diesel you have in there.
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Did you get plumes of white smoke along with a strong exhaust odor before it stalled? I agree with formasterdieseltech. You need to take a fuel sample. A quick and simple test you can try is pouring a small portion of the sample on the pavement a SAFE DISTANCE AWAY from flammable objects, and attempt to ignite it with a lighter. Gasoline will ignite obviously, as it will eat away at a styrofoam cup if poured into it. Do you have the fillup receipt?

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So I called the manager of the station and they said "Tank was filled 8 days ago with diesel, it is 64% full and we have had no complaints." So either they are just spewing crap at me, or its just one hell of a coincidence. I have AE so I will pull the codes and DTCs tomorrow. I will also do the redneck fuel test as suggested .

Was a very sudden shutoff, like someone had turned off the key, no bucking, no smoke, just OFF.

Can I get ICP pressure from AE, or some other way?

I did not get the receipt from the fillup. But I have the charge on my credit card if necessary.

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If you were pumping gas into your truck. You should have smelled the strong ordor of gasoline instead of diesel.

I would be finding out if you are getting fuel to the engine. Just because you filled up the truck does not mean you have something else wrong with your truck.


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Ok, AE scan done. DTCs of note: P0500 and P0263.

Redneck fuel test done, no sign of easy ignition from gas in the fuel. Pulled from both the tank and the secondary fuel filter on top of the engine.

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Redneck fuel test done, no sign of easy ignition from gas in the fuel. Pulled from both the tank and the secondary fuel filter on top of the engine.
Okay, so we've "verified" fuel quality. That's a start.



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Ok, AE scan done. DTCs of note: P0500 and P0263.
P0500 = Vehicle Speed Sensor 'A'

P0263 = Cylinder #1 Contribution/Balance

Somehow, I doubt either of these two DTCs are the cause of your truck failing to start. Since you mention you have access to an AE scanner, access the following data, and post your results:

B+ (volts)

FICM_L (volts)

FICM_M (volts)

FICM_V (volts)

FICM SYNC (yes or no)

ICP Desired (psi)

ICP (volts)

ICP (psi)

IPR Duty Cycle (%)

RPM (RPM)

SYNC (yes or no)

If you haven't already, run an Injector Buzz test. Do your hear a strong loud clicking from all eight injectors? Does it flag any DTCs when you run this test? Post up results for all of the above readings at key-on/engine-off AND while cranking the engine over in an attempt to start the engine.

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Ah yes, I love m-chan68's 6.0 start-up checklist! I've added the link to my signature, too... from way back when you were helping to diagnose the guy's truck in Austria that nobody knew how to work on. Good stuff!


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Buzz test sounds ok, fairly even from all the injectors.

Here is the data dump from AE
KOEO__Crank
Battery Voltage: 11__ ~9.63
CMP and CKP Are In Sync: 0 (off)__1 (on)
FICM Sync: 0 (off)__1 (on)
FICM Logic Power: 11__10
FICM Main Power: 48.5__48.5
FICM Vehicle Power: 10.5__10
IPC Desired: 0__1601
ICP: 0__61.18 (max)
ICP Volts: 0.25__0.31 (max)
ICPR: 14.84__84.77
RPM: 0__133 (max)

Fuel Pump: 99.98__99.98

The RPMs are most likely low due to all the cranking I have been doing and the batteries are a little low.

I have a data dump xls from AE if anyone would like to see it. Just PM your email and I'll send it along.

From reading around, looks like the HPOP is the issue. ICPR is WAY up and ICP is way low. But I'll hold out for the professional assessment.

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