Barely runs until warmed up

[youknowwho]

I'm thinking about buying my daughter's '04 Excursion but a few days ago it started running rough with no power until it's up to normal running temp. (about 10 minutes in 80 degree S Florida weather) It runs good after warmup.

I talked to my son's diesel mechanic by phone and he said he's pretty certain it's an oil pump problem from my description. I mentioned that there were no codes. The truck had an aftermarket program installed in '04 and he suggested that it should be removed and set back to stock.

This guy says 1500 + if it's the oil pump plus a reprogram at the local Ford dealer.

[scottm0821]

im having the same problem,i saw someone on here claimed they got the new heat inductive flash and that solved the problem, i have yet to get that flash yet to see if it works or not, but i do know i had these problems awhile back and got reflashed and it did the trick but havnt tried the heat inductive this time.

[chasenit]

Your problem is most likely worn injectors. The new flash will help with this problem but it works by sending more voltage to the injectors to heat them up. The injectors will eventualy burn out due to the increase in voltage. A mechanic with a Ford style code reader/computer can check your injectors but you will have to leave your vehicle with him overnight.

[scottm0821]

i dont know that could be possible,i had mine checked like 3 months ago they said 3 were bad, replaced them and still the same problem. but that would be a start for youknowho

[chasenit]

you can also try a lighter grade oil and some Hot Shot's Secret. If you have sticky injectors this has been known to help.

[youknowwho]

I got this from a Ford tech on JustAnswer.com for $18. He ran the VIN and came up with a TSB which I believe is a service bulletin. He's basically saying that a reprogram should fix this. It's labor is .6 hour but I'm sure they'll also get me for the $95 diagnosing charge.

Why would an '04 powerstroke 6.0 take a full 10 minutes to
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Why would an '04 powerstroke 6.0 take a full 10 minutes to run right in a warm climate? Starts good but runs rough with no power until heat gauge is in normal range, and then runs fine. It's worst after sitting overnight but also happens after being shut off for 3 or 4 hours. My daughter asked me to sell this truck for her and I thought I'd buy it for myself after repairing but could be a money pit with 140K miles. Hasn't pulled the head studs yet with after market chip installed by her ex. Been advised to set (flash) back to stock or upgrade to newer type.
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CAN I GET YOUR FULL VIN# SO I CAN RUN IT ON FORDS SYSTEM? I BELIEVE A REPROGRAM SHOULD FIX IT BUT I NEED TO DOUBLE CHECK ON FORDS SYSTEM.
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1FMNU42P84EB11735 Had a phone consult with son's mechanic friend yesterday and he said could be oil pump related
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THERE IS A TSB FROM FORD FOR YOUR PROBLEM. I WILL ATTACH IT DOWN BELOW. THIS SHOULD TAKE CARE OF YOUR PROBLEM. THE COST AT MY DEALERSHIP TO REPROGRAM IS ONLY $63.47. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE I CAN DO FOR YOU? PLEASE ACCEPT MY ANSWER SO THAT I CAN GET CREDIT FOR MY WORK. THANKS RICH.



FORD: 2003-2005 Excursion
2003-2007 F-Super Duty
2004-2010 E-Series
This article supersedes TSB 9-7-11 to update the model years covered and Integrated Diagnostic System (IDS) calibration level.
ISSUE:
Some 2003-2007 F-Super Duty vehicles, 2003-2005 Excursions and 2004-2010 E-Series vehicles, equipped with a 6.0L diesel engine may exhibit hard start, no start, white smoke, lack of power, running rough condition after cold engine start up, or diagnostic trouble codes (DTCs) P0404, P0470, P0611, P1260 and/or P1378 issues. Refer to the Calibration Content for information detailing specific vehicle content by vehicle application and model year that is being addressed by this calibration update.
This article includes previously released calibration content that improves injector performance in cold engine operation and additional diagnostic capabilities and product protection strategy enhancements. These enhancements provide additional diagnostic capabilities, adds additional new DTCs and engine protection strategies. Refer to the Calibration Content for additional details. See the appropriate Powertrain Control/Emissions Diagnostic (PC/ED) manual for technical descriptions and diagnostic routines associated with new DTCs.
ACTION:
Reprogram the powertrain control module (PCM) using IDS release 63.13 and higher or 64.01 and higher. The transmission control module (TCM) and fuel injector control module (FICM) , will automatically update if they are not at the latest calibration level. This new calibration is not included in the VCM 2009.11 DVD. Calibration files may also be obtained at MOTORCRAFT PARTS FOR FORD, LINCOLN OR MERCURY VEHICLES.
CALIBRATION CONTENT
Reprogram the PCM to the latest calibration following Workshop Manual (WSM), Section 418-01.
The PCM and FICM calibration update contains improvement actions to address the following symptoms:
2005 F-Super Duty 6.0L:
False DTC P0470 - Exhaust pressure sensor A circuit fault due to a freezing condition.
False DTC P0404 - Exhaust gas recirculation (EGR) performance due to a stuck turbocharger condition.
Cooling loss protection - Revised engine protection strategy when an engine over-temperature condition is present. Vehicles updated with this service calibration will display higher temperature gauge readings when high engine oil temperature (EOT) conditions or high engine coolant temperature (ECT) are encountered and may disable EGR operation to prevent possible EGR cooler damage.
Oil cooler efficiency monitor - DTC P012F stored and wrench warning lamp illuminated when the oil coolers efficiency drops below a specified threshold for a given speed and vehicle load condition.
Turbocharger vane sweep strategy - Performs a sweep of the turbocharger vanes and unison ring during stationary idle conditions. Vane sweep can occur once per hour to help reduce turbocharger sticking.
FICM low voltage detection monitor - DTC P0560 stored and wrench warning lamp illuminated when PCM vehicle power (VPWR) parameter identifier (PIDS) is below 10.25V for 60 seconds or below 9V for 4 seconds.
Turbocharger over boost detection - DTC P0234 stored and wrench warning lamp illuminated when a turbocharger over boost condition occurs.
2006-2007 F-Super Duty 6.0L:
False DTC P0404 - EGR performance due to a stuck turbocharger condition.
Cooling loss protection - Revised engine protection strategy when an engine over-temperature condition is present. Vehicles updated with this service calibration will display higher temperature gauge readings when high EOT conditions or high ECT are encountered and may disable EGR operation to prevent possible EGR cooler damage.
Oil cooler efficiency monitor - DTC P012F stored and wrench warning lamp illuminated when the oil coolers efficiency drops below a specified threshold for a given speed and vehicle load condition.
FICM low voltage detection monitor - DTC P0560 stored and wrench warning lamp illuminated when PCM VPWR PIDS is below 10.25V for 60 seconds or below 9V for 4 seconds.
Turbocharger over boost detection - DTC P0234 stored and wrench warning lamp illuminated when a turbocharger over boost condition occurs.
2005-2007 And 2009-2010 E-Series 6.0L:
False DTC P0470 Exhaust pressure sensor A circuit fault due to a freezing condition.
False DTC P0404 EGR Performance due to a stuck turbocharger condition.
Cooling loss protection - Revised engine protection strategy when an engine over-temperature condition is present. Vehicles updated with this service calibration will display higher temperature gauge readings when high EOT conditions or high ECT are encountered and may disable EGR operation to prevent possible EGR cooler damage.
Oil cooler efficiency monitor - DTC P012F stored and wrench warning lamp illuminated when the oil coolers efficiency drops below a specified threshold for a given speed and vehicle load condition.
FICM low voltage detection monitor - DTC P0560 stored and wrench warning lamp illuminated when PCM VPWR PIDS is below 10.25V for 60 seconds or below 9V for 4 seconds.
Turbocharger vane sweep strategy - Performs a sweep of the turbocharger vanes and unison ring during stationary idle conditions. Vane sweep can occur once per hour to help reduce turbocharger sticking
FICM low voltage detection monitor - DTC P0560 stored and wrench warning lamp illuminated when PCM VPWR PIDS is below 10.25V for 60 seconds or below 9V for 4 seconds.
Turbocharger over boost detection - DTC P0234 stored and wrench warning lamp illuminated when a turbocharger over boost condition occurs.
2008 E-Series 6.0L:
False DTC P0470 - Exhaust pressure sensor A circuit fault due to a freezing condition.
False DTC P0404 - EGR performance due to a stuck turbocharger condition.
False P1260 induced during cranking due to low battery voltage.
Generic on-board diagnostics (OBD) improvements including; Mode 1, Mode 2, Mode 4 and J1699 OBD data test results as reported to the service tool.
Cooling loss protection - Revised engine protection strategy when an engine over-temperature condition is present. Vehicles updated with this service calibration will display higher temperature gauge readings when high EOT conditions or high ECT are encountered and may disable EGR operation to prevent possible EGR cooler damage.
Oil cooler efficiency monitor - DTC P012F stored and wrench warning lamp illuminated when the oil coolers efficiency drops below a specified threshold for a given speed and vehicle load condition.
Turbocharger vane sweep strategy - Performs a sweep of the turbocharger vanes and unison ring during stationary idle conditions. Vane sweep can occur once per hour to help reduce turbocharger sticking
FICM low voltage detection monitor - DTC P0560 stored and wrench warning lamp illuminated when PCM VPWR PIDS is below 10.25V for 60 seconds or below 9V for 4 seconds.
Turbocharger over boost detection - DTC P0234 stored and wrench warning lamp illuminated when a turbocharger over boost condition occurs.
Previous released calibration content included in IDS software release 48.2 or higher for: 2003-2007 F-Super Duty, 2003-2005 Excursion and 2004-2008 E-Series 6.0L diesel equipped vehicles:
White smoke, lack of power, running rough condition after cold engine start up due to injector spool valve sticking internally during cold engine operation.
No start/hard start when accompanied with DTC P0611 (FICM Performance), P1378 (FICM System Voltage Low) and/or all eight (8) injector circuit codes.
The new calibration changes the frequency of injector spool valve shuttling under certain conditions and will sound differently from previously released versions.
WARRANTY STATUS:
Eligible Under Provisions Of New Vehicle Limited Warranty Coverage And Emissions Warranty Coverage
IMPORTANT: Warranty coverage limits/policies are not altered by a TSB. Warranty coverage limits are determined by the identified causal part.
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092403A 2004-2010 Econoline, 2003-2007 F-Super Duty, 2003-2005 Excursion 6.0L: Check For DTCs And Reprogram The PCM (Do Not Use With Any Other Labor Operations) 0.6 Hr.
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12/10/2009 at 12:08 PM (16 minutes and 55 seconds later)
Since this truck was reprogrammed for better performance in '04 (aftermarket device, don't know what brand) does this fix still apply?
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YES IT SHOULD BECAUSE WHEN YOU USE THE AFTERMARKET PROGRAMMER IT DOES NOT CHANGE EVERYTHING.
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[apeterbilt5151]

I have a 2000 Ford Excursion 7.3. I have always let my truck warm up 5-10 minutes, no matter how hot or how cold it is outside. You have to remember that you have 18 qts of oil instead of 5 qts. The oil needs to warm up so it can thin out a little. I use to be a truck driver for 35 years and have always treated my trucks and my excursion just like my rig. I have never had any problems with any of my diesels as long as I take care of them. Just sold a 1990 ford pick up with a 7.3 diesel with 535k miles on it. During that time all I did was regular maintenance on it. Changed the oil around 7500 miles and every other oil change I do an oil analysis. All my filters I run on the truck are Baldwin and I run Delo 400LE 15/40 oil. Have never run any thing else. I keep away from Ford oil and filters. This is my preference and has always worked for me. I have never had a problem with the truck being sluggish. Don't know if this helps, but has worked for me. The excursion has 165k miles on it. Good luck

[sportsman500]

reprogram could work for you it may have an injector failing though. does it shake on start up ?

[youknowwho]

Originally Posted by sportsman500

reprogram could work for you it may have an injector failing though. does it shake on start up ?

Start up and initial idling is fine. The problem is during the time it takes to get to normal operating temp. Upon reaching normal temp (according to factory gauge) it then runs fine. I had it tested at a local non Ford shop and they found no codes but was leary of their diesel experience so parked it at home and have been traveling and not able to fix until I return.

[Powerhouse9228]

Could be an injector or it could be your FICM. May want to check your voltage coming out of it and make sure it is at least 45 volts. It is easy to do and at least you can rule that out or maybe find your problem.